Piss and Vinegar

What not to ask Tom Gabel of Against Me!

The story of Against Me! begins in the college town of Gainesville, Florida, in 1997. Then-17-year-old Tom Gabel would play his angst-filled compositions with an acoustic guitar on street corners for spare change. The tunes were catchy, and his lyrics were about, well, being an angry, punk-rock 17-year-old in Gainesville. In songs like "The Price of Freedom," he would strum the guitar and yell, "I'd rather die free than live a life in slavery/Is it too much to ask that I die for the cause?"

Gabel soon began playing shows around town, and slowly but surely, the band known as Against Me! formed, becoming heroes of the local underground anarcho-punk scene. In 2002, the band released its first full-length album, Reinventing Axl Rose, on the Gainesville-based indie label No Idea Records. While the album arguably had a hidden mainstream rock sound, songs like "Baby, I'm an Anarchist" became anthems for the band's devoted following. But in 2003, when the band signed to a larger indie, Fat Wreck Chords, the same fans began to call the group's anti-capitalist stance into question. Longtime fans felt betrayed, but that didn't stop Against Me! from then signing to a major label, Sire/Warner Bros. shortly afterward. The band's fourth proper full-length, New Wave, was released this past July and has taken the band closer to bona fide stardom.

The following two-part interview with now-27-year-old Gabel portrays an artist struggling with his own success. Our first interview was done via telephone; Against Me! was in Munich on the European leg of its tour. During the conversation, the questions seemed to upset Gabel as he became increasingly defensive. Afraid that he was going to hang up on me, I apologized.

Wait, Against Me! actually smiles!
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Wait, Against Me! actually smiles!


Against Me! performs with Sage Francis, Cobra Skulls, and World/Inferno Friendship Society on Thursday, November 8, at Revolution, 200 W. Broward Blvd., Fort Lauderdale. The show starts at 6 p.m., and tickets cost $15. Call 954-727-0950, or visit www.jointherevolution.net or www.ticketmaster.com.

About an hour after ending the conversation, the band's publicist sent an e-mail: "Tom said the interview didn't go so well — he asked if you wanted to do it via e-mail. There were a few questions he would like to answer differently." Welcome to the world of corporate rock. Was Tom going to re-answer my questions because of a secret board meeting? Had he been reprimanded? Had he just lost his temper again, like that time in Tallahassee (www.punkplanet.com/node/2762)? I quickly transcribed a synopsis of our conversation and e-mailed the same questions to the publicist; I received the new and improved answers a few days later. The dichotomy of each set of answers is striking.

New Times: From singing about throwing bricks through Starbucks windows in 2002 ("Baby, I'm an Anarchist") to appearing on Late Night With Conan O'Brien recently; what is next for Against Me!?

Tom Gabel, phone answer: Next? We are going to kill kittens and puppies. We are joining the Ku Klux Klan, and then we are going to become young Republicans. This is just all part of what happens when you sell your soul to a major label. But we got so much fucking money, dude. It's so fucking cool. I have a helicopter made of gold. I wipe my ass with money. It's great. Who says selling out doesn't have its merits? It's pretty fucking badass. A soul is a lot of weight to carry around; I don't need that kind of weight.

E-mail answer: A lot of touring, and hopefully another record at some point.

The punk scene that you were involved with is going to continually question your current situation. Your ideals as a person have obviously changed since the formation of Against Me! What message are you trying to bring from the underground to the mainstream?

Phone answer: I really don't have any interest in doing this interview if it's all just about this. I don't want to talk about it. This has so been done before. It is just obnoxious. Do you think that I am that lonely and desperate of a person that I need to justify myself to a reporter on the telephone? I don't even know you. I've done the interview a million times before and then I've read the article afterwards a million times. I know the slant that everybody puts on it, and I know exactly how it's going to read, so what's the fucking point? If someone comes in that pointed with their questions in an interview, they obviously already have some kind of angle that they are going for. It's like, damn, another one of these interviews... where someone is going to do this whole "Against Me!... are they sellouts or not?" I don't really feel like justifying myself, you know? That's what you are asking me to do.

E-mail answer: There isn't a specific message. I'm not a politician. I'm not pushing an agenda. I want to play music for people. I have my opinions, and sure those opinions are obviously going to be apparent in the lyrics I write. But if anything I'm just trying to be a stimulus to make people think for themselves, not make them think like me.

My band has been on every level of record label possible. Our first release was a 10-song cassette tape, copies of which I dubbed myself. I recorded it on a Tascam four-track in my mother's bedroom. Our newest album was released on a major label, and we recorded it with a world-famous producer [Butch Vig, who also produced Nirvana's Nevermind].

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