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03/18/2012 11:42:00 PM
Just another example that people are people, regardless of sexual orientation. However, I'm still uncertain whether leftists can be regarded as human.
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03/15/2012 2:22:00 PM
People killing people is mans oldest tradition. I don't make anybody do anything except maybe you. In any bad situation you would the first victim. All homosexuals are emotionally unbalance people. A lot of them will admit it. Apparently you are of that emotionally distraught group. Don't try to justify it just go with the flow. I don't really care what you do or think..The only rights you have are the ones you take for your self. Oh yes! I would never have a queer as a loved one I make better choices than that. A dog would make a more reliable companion.
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03/13/2012 4:08:00 PM
Rights have nothing to do with murder. People kill when they feel it is necessary or it just floats their boat. You seem rather naive.
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03/13/2012 3:53:00 PM
I have met plenty of homosexuals and the female ones are the worst. They seem more full of hate than the males. As far as people judging me that's in your frame of reference not mine. Not all heterosexuals are emotionally unbalanced but ALL Homosexuals are. That is one of the reasons they are the way they are. As far as Jesus goes, just another human delusion that helps people pass the time until they die.
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Avarielle 03/13/2012 5:44:00 AM
You're STILL adding your inane comments to this article/commenters?
It's now almost three years old.
We get it, you didn't like homosexuals.
You still lack general human compassion/decency three years later.
These women are dead but you kept obsessing over their sexuality.
Almost three years later and you still can't stop obsessing over what they did when they were alive.
Your comments had the brilliance of a prepubescent boy engaged in school yard taunting.
Almost three years later, your intelligence is still as stagnant.
So much hatred and so many vile words for women you never even met.
So much wasted time and energy over the past three years.
You're wasting your life being so judgemental and close-minded.
Imagine the things you might have accomplished if you hadn't wasted THREE YEARS of your life blaming your bigotry on God.
"Love one another, as I have loved you." and "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
After three years, do you still really not get that Jesus was speaking to all Christians (yes, even you)?
People judge you by your actions and words.
Three years later, the same standard applies.
You can harden your heart and spread hate or have some compassion and speak with love. And no, you don't have to agree with homosexuality. You can still act like a decent person. You don't have to agree with gay marriage. You can still be sad for the loss of human life. You don't have even care about gay rights. You can still think of how you'd want someone to treat/speak of your loved ones if one of them had been one of these women.
Your life - look at your choices.
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03/12/2012 10:38:00 PM
No wonder people kill each other in this world. People like you make other people feel its ok to kill no matter who it is its a life and no one should get a right to take it away
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01/23/2012 4:53:00 PM
Whats sad is that more time was wasted writing this story than something interesting.
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01/23/2012 4:50:00 PM
Who cares! What I want to know is did the house get sold and what did the BMW go for and is the gun for sale.
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01/23/2012 4:41:00 PM
If there is truly a Christian God we all know where they are located.
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01/23/2012 4:32:00 PM
She picked her relationship with an emotionally unstable homosexual who in the eyes of god is an abomination and he administered his godly reward.
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01/23/2012 4:21:00 PM
You are making a joke. Right?
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01/23/2012 4:19:00 PM
The blood flows when the dyke breaks. She should have kept her finger in the hole.
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01/23/2012 4:14:00 PM
The sheriffs assoc. says the most horrendous crimes are usually homosexual based. Gays just naturally start out more emotionally frayed than the average person.
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01/23/2012 4:09:00 PM
It helped clean up the gene pool.
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01/23/2012 4:06:00 PM
Queers are sick, sounds close to perfect to me.
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TEMPERAMENTAL 01/09/2012 1:27:00 PM
Grow up! You are no where near perfect!
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11/22/2011 3:23:00 AM
This is what happens when freaks want to mess with some thing like marrage good rittnes to them and all that follow!!
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guest 11/11/2011 3:14:00 PM
How sad that the loss of life seems like something to celebrate to you.
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Lynb362002 10/17/2011 2:10:00 PM
She wrote for the huffingtonpost .com????LMAO! I knew those people were all nuts!
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Lynb362002 10/17/2011 2:09:00 PM
Give two life sentences to a dead woman??? Why not finish reading the article, then pop off...idiot.
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08/07/2011 10:48:00 PM
Very sad story. Like any murder-suicide anywhere, a tragedy. Especially so in this case where these women and gays in general are subjected to the sick and sickening hatred of people like Queers.
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Queers are sick 06/10/2011 9:41:00 PM
Two crazy dykes and a happy ending ! Yea !
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06/02/2011 7:09:00 PM
the number 222 served as an inescapable representation of one woman's immense pain and anger"
It it were a man I guess we'd call it the inescapable representation of men's claim to dominance and voilence against women...
In truth lesbian relationships are well documented to have higher rates of violence than heterosexual ones.
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Sue 05/23/2011 4:14:00 PM
I find it so humorous that the most ignorant people on here seem to be unable to read since they think Carol Burger should be sentenced to life in prison. Since she is DEAD as well, it is apparent they didn't read the article to the end, or that they but still jumped in with their comments.
It is always those with the least to say... that say it the loudest.
While this story is certainly universal... and happens to both hetero and gay couples... it IS an example of why we need to insure that all American's are afforded the SAME rights. Perhaps if they had been able to divorce more easily... they would be living happy lives today.
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Julia Wissert 05/16/2011 7:43:00 PM
Maybe you should have considered a dissertation on extreme narcissism and looked closer towards home. Wishing a murder had occurred earlier to benefit your own selfish needs, is despicable, It indicates some serious concerns regarding mental wellness, PhD, Dr, or whatever label you prefer to let the world know you have achieved, is also disturbing in that it indicates very low self esteem and self worth. Good luck in your issues with self esteem deficits, and your attempts at helping others. Sometimes working through others problems, provides guidance and resolution in ones self.
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Julia 05/16/2011 3:35:00 PM
I think they should give her two consecutive life sentences, hey people this was a viscous ruthless murder involving a mentally deranged control freak of a woman, It almost sounds like most of you are sympathizing with this monster that killed someones daughter that they loved and cherished very much, and condone what she did, MURDER!!!. What a double standard people have, and a bias, and stereotyping, and prejudice against select others in similar circumstances. I wonder how it would have been written for man that did that to a woman and how the readers would have responded to that ? :(
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Lwilt13 04/20/2011 8:20:00 PM
meant to say can't
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Lwilt13 04/20/2011 8:19:00 PM
Typical of a relationship gone bad where one can accept the rejection. Nothing to do with sexual orientation.
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Vincent 04/20/2011 5:12:00 PM
It's cliche to assume that the only opposition to gay marriage exists as a result of Christianity. There is opposition in the secular world as well, and with well reasoned explanations. That they are not given voice, or are immediately dismissed and discredited as belonging to "Christians" is dogmatic, oppressive, and bigoted in itself. That you are unacquainted with them is a testament only to the fact that mainstream media has, for reasons of it's own, chosen to silence those voices.
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The Watcher 04/19/2011 10:25:00 PM
Wow...222 times with a screw driver, well I was always told if you were going to do something put in the effort and do it right .. just another example of.two sick deviates, love the part about going up to the new Neighbors and declaring they are gay in front of the children and hanging the Flag upside down ..Burger just took out the trash and the police will take care of the other half of this loving relationship..lol At least berger will have all the carpet she can munch in prison...lol But it is florida so maybe the needle will apply...
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reb 04/08/2011 9:43:00 PM
lovey - "thats why you dont mess with girls if your a girl, women are very controlling and possesive (RUN)"
Yeah and men aren't.
pfffttt
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LOVEUYH 03/22/2011 1:28:00 AM
thats why you dont mess with girls if your a girl, women are very controlling and possesive (RUN)
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M. Johanneson 03/10/2011 9:00:00 PM
This story is the wet dream of every intellectual everywhere. Both the fundamental premise as well as the gory details of the story are so riddled with cliche that it could be studied as a microcosm of modern social dysfunction - cause AND effect. And that's not even getting started on the irony. Mmmm - sweet, DELICIOUS irony. In a world where demanding freedom from responsibility for one's psychoses is the new "black," I say we eagerly grant equal rights to stab one's domiciliary companion to death - just like any other dysfunctional human being possessed by the passionate throes of extreme denial might do at any given time. I wish this murder had occurred and been published before I had finished my dissertation...
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clarissa 01/02/2011 12:30:00 AM
Carol was clearly unstable and had violent tendencies. Sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with this story.
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Sparky 12/18/2010 8:04:00 PM
Another example of the Liberal Media covering for the Looney Liberal Left...This story should have gotten National Press when it happened! 222 times?!!! My lord that is the very definition of overkill...
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Leslie 11/29/2010 5:39:00 AM
Is their house on the market. I bet it bloody well is
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Saddened, but .... 11/19/2010 10:10:00 AM
"When they noticed conservative bumper stickers on a new neighbor's car, the women baked a welcoming cake and brought it over to announce — in front of the children — "We're gay!"
A person moves into the neighborhood and this couple bakes a cake and carries it to the neighbor's door as if they are being friendly and welcoming the newcomer. But no! It's a trick to be able to announce, "We're gay!" That certainly shut down the chance that the neighbor would get to know them gradually and learn that lesbians are like other people. It was a hostile thing to do and reveals a lot about these two.
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hunter 11/12/2010 1:45:00 PM
i would say that she put the screws to her girl--roomate
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michelle 11/06/2010 2:44:00 AM
People like this do not just snap one day!!!!!Domestic vioelence is DV!!!!!!!I also agree gay marriage should be made legal!!!Jessica may have found she had options and Carol may have felt more secure she wouldn't get ditched with nothing..This is terribly sad and I hope only brings to light the need for a binding agreement between two people (ANY people) who choose to share their lives,homes,children, etc. so that they are just as sure as the next person, that "THEY HAVE OPTIONS!" to get help, and that getting out of an unwanted situation can be organized and fair.Judges and the system sees this as an important right for hetero marriages and children of..why not in civil unions and why not legalizing marriage.There is no reason not to except that it makes Christians uncomfortable..Does this?????????????
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bull 10/29/2010 10:17:00 AM
Bull. They had money and brains, they could have gone to a lawyer, drawn up and both agreed to a legally enforceable contract to split the sale of the house, both moved out, and sold it, and moved on. Saying they "didn't trust each other" "couldn't get divorced" "needed a judge to help them disentangle" is a lame and stupid copout.
People in business sometimes have to liquidate property to dissolve a partnership, or one partner buys the other out. They could have done exactly the same with all assets held in common. No divorce was needed because gay marriage was not recognized in most states.
Most likely the rich one was too greedy to give a generous going away settlement to the penniless one, so she could go away and start over. So the rich one let the poor one stay and watch her carry on with the new girlfriend instead of just kicking her out on her own or giving her a divorce/alimony/going away settlement, and the poor one finally went crazy.
See what greed for money does to people? You can't take it with you. If the rich one had said, "I'm leaving, you can have the house, I won't pay you alimony but am putting the house in your name, you can sell it and use the money to start over, goodbye"
she might still be alive today. Think divorced men don't have to give up the house sometimes? The rich one had a non-working housewife, she had to provide for that person.
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DarronFreed 09/01/2010 2:48:00 AM
I think that there might be a lesson here...
Maybe, "Don't bring a black belt to a screwdriver fight"?
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Kittyjo 07/17/2010 6:15:00 PM
Wow, I just realised it's been a year since this story was published. How very sad.
I don't find this a particularly "lesbian" story. I find it more about mental illness and resulting violence- IF this is the true scenario.
Mental illness and domestic violence happen across all walks of life. I sincerely hope the friends and families of these two women will find credible answers to their questions about the investigation (or lack thereof) and find peace.
Does anyone know how the partners these women had at the end are doing? They are in my prayers.
Yes I'm "Christian". NO, I don't condemn.
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mysterywoman 07/13/2010 7:46:00 PM
I am sick of whack job libs blaming bush. sure, he plotted to have 2 gay women knocked off cuz he didn't agree with gay marriage. well guess what? Good ole jess's hero the big zero Obama does NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE either. I suppose buh and obama killed jess and jan. one for one each. LOL. you screaming squirrels with ur virulent hatred of straight christians make me laugh. PS: Christ abided by the word of his Father..GOD who said in 2 or 3 places that 'man shall not lie with man nor woman with woman' leviticus and also in genesis i believe. Shut up about ur stupid gay marriage. u have the same right to get married in every state just like I do...TO THE OPPOSITE SEX. i always wondered what would happen if i walked into a workplace and said, say, uh, I like men's weiners. I want special rights. " LOL. and about this Jess doing everything on the up and up in her life? what do u call lying on a job application about ur age so u can sling drinks to other dykes in a gay bar? huh? ya . ha. none of us is perfecf. ya bring it on..lemme hear it. as hard as you weirdos have tried to stuff this homophobe crapo and gay marriage down california's throat (the most liberal state in the nation next to taxachussettes) we withstood 3 rounds and voted it down by 80% . splain that.
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Allan 06/23/2010 8:45:00 AM
Any unnecessary loss of life is regrettable, but it would be wrong to use this unfortunate incident involving two lesbian women to argue for a liberalization of marriage laws. Straight people kill one another as well, and we don't ask for laws to be changed then. What would be next? If a father kills his entire family because he can't afford to pay his back taxes, would we argue that taxes should be abolished because they put people in difficult situations?
The author himself put it best. "Carol and Jessica were just like everyone else." We all have to deal with the good and bad situations in our lives and, fortunately, only a few of us resort to violence to solve our problems. Let us not allow the acts of a few deranged people to affect the course of society. Had Carol not committed suicide, she should be committed to jail, whether she was gay, straight, or other.
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Dana 06/14/2010 5:21:00 PM
Using a tragedy in which two lives were lost to express your displeasure with homosexuality shows poor taste at best, and recklessly un-Christian-like behavior at worst (if that is what you claim to be). I can't imagine Jesus Christ standing over these two bodies, smiting them for just being how God created them.
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ann 05/22/2010 5:37:00 PM
what a terrible thing to happen why did carols close friends not see she was changing mentally or behaving out of character something must of showed
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Perturbed 03/29/2010 12:50:00 PM
No, all the states in the nation ratifying gay marriage and, subsequently, divorce would not prevent a lesbian from being stabbed 222 times with a screwdriver by her lover if it were in her lover to do it.
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Guest 02/23/2010 5:51:00 AM
I want to respond to the person who accused the Good Shepherd of being bigoted. I'm sorry-- I don't remember your name now, and this comment has taken me to another page. This is very very sad that Jessica was killed by this insane Carol person and this story was mostly very well-written. I did not know either of these people.
I don't think The Good Shepherd is bigoted-- at least not from the note she left. Why is thinking that being gay wrong an opening to label someone bigoted? This isn't the case and this label of calling someone bigoted for sharing her opinion is anti-intellectual.
The Good Shepherd commented that all (or most-- I don't have her comment in front of me now) is considered wrong in most religions around the world. Her belief that this is true does not mean she is bigoted. It means she believes something different than you believe. That's all it means and it's not a valid discussion to label her bigoted or anything else for sharing her opinion which differs from yours. If she believes in God and she believes God thought homosexuality is wrong, it is perfectly reasonable that God trumps your own belief that homosexuality is perfectly correct and normal. I'm not saying it's not normal. I personally have no problem with gay people and served as maid of honor to my own sister's wedding to another woman. But, I certainly understand how some may not believe it's normal and don't condemn others for having this belief or opinion. Why does everyone have to agree with you? Because you find it offensive? Well, maybe she finds you offensive. We all find things offensive. Oh well. Get over it.
It always amazes me when those who profess tolerance show such intolerance to others. She doesn't think being gay is normal. Since an estimated 90% of people are heterosexual, it is then true that "the norm" is heterosexuality, not homosexuality, even if you don't like that this is the case.
Still, I see that you want to be treated as "normal" and I agree you should be treated as normal. And, The Good Shepherd isn't suggesting that gays shouldn't be treated well. Thank god this isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran or Iraq or anywhere in the Muslim world, for instance-- gays would be shot or hanged there without any second thought. All the Good Shepherd is stating is that she doesn't think it's the correct way to live-- she's not advocating death.
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happy 02/07/2010 3:49:00 PM
good all fag's and dyke's need to be in a metal home.well really need to be somewhere other than that but o'well.sicko's
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jk 01/26/2010 12:54:00 PM
Comment by The_Good_Shepherd from south of heaven on Dec 12th, 2009, 01:25 am
I would like to comment on the previous message left by The_Good_Shepherd who claims to come from "south of heaven." Jessica Sydney Kalish was butchered by a psychopath and you are using her murder as a platform to promote your bigoted agenda. You do not know the details of her murder. You made an ignorant assumption based upon the very few facts (and often incorrect) details released to the media. All the facts of Jessica's murder are known to few people. Her full story was never released to the media as her family wished.
Jessica Sydney Kalish lived her adult life as a proud lesbian. She had much to be proud of. She was charitable. Aside from being involved in major, organized charities she fed and cared for people she met on the street. She would give a stranger her last dollar. The homeless people she fed never asked her if she was a lesbian and she did not feed strangers to further a gay agenda. She gave from her heart. She was consistently honorable in business. She worked from the time she was 15 years old and never borrowed. She adopted animals.
She was a devoted daughter, deeply attached to her sister and a friend all could count on. She was close with her many cousins. Jessica's family was torn, broken, demolished by the psychopath who butchered her. Her murder had nothing to do with gender, sex, jealousy or homosexuality. Your comment shows your ignorance of Christianity. Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Are you without sin? Please email me and tell me how you manage to be without sin. It is also my understanding south of heaven is hell. Jessica's mother buried a butchered child. Her sister and her cousins buried her with shovels and cold earth. She has lain under the cold earth for two winters not because she was gay, but because she crossed paths with a psychopath. Do you understand the pain you caused Jessica's mother by your ignorant, uninformed comment? If you are truly a Christian how do you justify causing pain to a family already broken. How do you justify passing judgment?
No one was ever charged, arrested or convicted for the butcher of Jessica Sydney Kalish. All suspects wer alleged. Again, you made a judgement ignorant of the facts.
You owe Jessica's mother an apology.
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The_Good_Shepherd 12/12/2009 9:25:00 AM
I did not know either of these two people and its really sad that two people are dead and coudln't work things out peacefully, but there is a fundamental wrong that is rampant not only in south florida/miami area but in other parts of this country. People of the same gender should not be together sexually. Every religion has some proclamation to this effect. I am not saying gays and lesbians should go to church or pick up a holy book, I am just saying that being gay or lesbian is not natural and in my opinion it is not right.
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Barb 08/04/2009 9:06:00 AM
I would first like to say that I think this is a beautifully written article and provided me with much more information than what I had previously. I knew both of these women, Carol Anne for about 15 years, and Jess for about 3 years. I have such a hard time reconciling what happened, and still mourn the loss of two intelligent, talented women, who, together or apart, deserved much better endings to their lives.
I knew that their relationship was not good. Jess called me about a week before she died, and asked if I had any leads on a new job for her. She said that she was willing to move anywhere, and that she was looking forward to leaving Florida and starting over elsewhere. I asked how Carol Anne was doing with that and Jess said that things had deteriorated to the point where they weren't communicating at all. She said that she kept hoping that Carol Anne would pull herself together, but it wasn't happening. I know that while Jess wanted to sell the house, and break away from this awful living arrangement (awful for both of them), she also wanted to feel that Carol Anne would be all right. Jess said that Carol Anne needed to get a job and move on with her life, but instead just spent her time moping around the house. Jess said that she had made it clear to Carol Anne that she intended to move on. Carol Anne didn't take it well. I don't think that Jess ever felt frightened of her or would have thought her a danger, but then Jess wasn't the type to be intimidated. We made a couple jokes about the "War of the Roses" situation, and made plans to talk in a few days about her job search. It was the last time I talked to her.
The Carol Anne that I knew was smart, and witty, and a lot of fun. I also knew her in times of sadness and talked with her a lot during the time that she cared for her dying mother and while she was dealing with her grief after that. I also got a glimpse of how angry she could get when she misunderstood the departure time for a trip to the airport when we were both at a conference and she reacted with a level of rage that was totally disproportionate to the situation. Like everyone else, I can imagine a number of scenarios that could have happened in that garage on Churchill Drive, but we'll never know exactly what transpired.
I am sad for the two friends I lost and for the way I lost them. I hope that they are both in a better place.
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q 07/23/2009 4:54:00 PM
small world, 2 people named q posting here! i'm her friend from nyc and this is an email carol sent me on 10/20/08:
"Hey friends..I forgot to mention that I did a short triathlon this past
Sunday...and finished third in my age group!
Yippee...and on only two weeks training since my spin instructor asked me to
hold her hand (she's a newbie). Well she finished before me, but she's 22
years my junior and about 30 pounds lighter (4% body fat doncha know).
Ponce de Leon was right. The Fountain of Youth is here in South Florida!
Teehee, Carol Anne
CONGRATULATIONS ON COMPLETING THE Ameriprise Financial Race the Troops
Triathlon
Full Results are available at:
http://www.multirace.com/triathlon/triathlonResultsA.aspx?Race=273
Your results are as follows:
Total Time: 1:29:20.657
Swim Time: 12:0
T1 Time: 4:51
Bike Time: 39:14
T2 Time: 2:35
Run Time: 30:40
Overall Place: 488
Gender Place: 140
Category Place: 3"
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Sally 07/23/2009 3:36:00 PM
Oh and by the way, this cased is considered solved not CLOSED!!!!!
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Sally 07/23/2009 3:05:00 PM
This response is to Q from Fla. I don't know who you are but the Carol Anne Burger I was talking about was not in the hosp for drug/drinking addictions. She did not have a long history of violence and if you were her family for the last few years where the hell was your intervention.
Make sure you have all your facts before spewing your mouth off about the people who truly loved her and are totally devasted by this tragedy!!!!
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z 07/23/2009 2:51:00 AM
My email address is qq195060@yahoo.com
If you have productive details about this case, email me. I will respond to all emails. I am particularly interested in hearing from law enforcement, Mary I. and Helen Gale. All emails are completely anonymous.
If you have no productive details to offer, isn't it time you moved on?
Why is the BBPD coming up with an alternative scenario after the case has been closed?
Is Det. Martinez able to back up his scenario with facts?
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q 07/23/2009 2:34:00 AM
The speculations about Carol Anne & Jessica have gone on for nine months.
Did Carol Anne butcher Jessica? Did Carol Anne kill herself?
Did the Boynton Beach Police Department consider this "two dykes had a catfight, open & shut?" Did the Boynton Beach PD investigate or not?
Officer Evelyn McCoy visited the Kalish/Burger house on October 23, 2008. She reported "no signs of a struggle." She missed the blood drenched garage. She did the least amount of work possible. In keeping with the standards of the BBPD, she will no doubt be promoted.
We have read comments from Sally P., Helen Gale (who admits she never met Jessica Kalish, yet feels free to quote her) and many others, including neighbors.
How about something different? How about someone coming forward with the truth?
Carol Anne Burger was a woman with a long history of violent behavior fueled by drugs and alcohol. Her work with the Huffington Post was gratis, there fore, not work at all.
She was not a poor woman. In addition to the house, Carol Anne left a six figure estate. She managed to accumulate money despite not having worked for pay for years. She had the money to buy out Jessica or just leave.
In light of Carol Anne's many hospitalizations, her condition was well known to friends, family and the state of Florida.
Where were her friends and family over the last few years? If she seemed like she was spiraling out of control, why didn't anyone try to help her. Why did Carol Anne's friends and family abandon her in her time of need?
Carol Anne Burger bought a gun several weeks prior to her suicide. Right around the time she wrote one of several drafts of her suicide note.
Is everyone so naive to think her gun was sitting in its' pretty little mustard coloured case all those weeks? Are the police so naive they think Carol Anne never pulled a gun on Jessica?
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Sally 07/19/2009 6:10:00 PM
Hi Q, The Carol I knew was not the one that I read about in the paper. So many stories that were conflicting. I still can't believe it!!!! Why the heck didn't she take some antidepressants and get the hell away from Jess???
The whole thing is so BIZZAR!!!!
Please email at Premonition42@aol.com
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q 07/19/2009 3:36:00 AM
hi sally
then you know how carol was about law and order! she would spend a rainy day in nyc watching back to back episodes & solving case after case ;-)
things were going very well for her in the weeks before they died- she'd been hoping for a chance to get out of credit union reportage and huffpo was perfect. she was getting the exposure & recognition she needed to make the transition and was very happy about that. she'd also been a died in the wool bush hater who was working her butt off for O, and was very wrapped up in the election outcome.
perhaps the strangest aspect is the occurance of a similar crime a few months earlier in pbc: another gay activist killed (multiple stabs) in a case put down as murder suicide. perhaps just a coincidence, but an interesting one. the carol we knew was perfectly capable of killing herself over jess murder, but not b/c she did it, but b/c she would have blamed herself for not loving her enough, not protecting her, etc.
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Sally 07/18/2009 6:45:00 PM
Q, I remember you. You visted Carol and I when we were living in the Condo in Delray Beach. I was with Carol for about 8 years
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q 07/18/2009 12:16:00 AM
You should go see someone about your grief; it is making you unable to accept the most likely explanation of the available facts.
Comment by noway on Jul 17th, 2009, 07:47 am
thank you for your concern, which i don't doubt is sincere and from the heart. i happen to agree with you about accepting the most likely explanation: the cops fudged the investigation to clear it in record time. is somebody driving around pb at 11pm in a bloody car with a dead body and then walking 2 miles home in bloody clothes really the more likely explanation? are the streets so deserted that nobody would have noticed? why would somebody trying to cover up a horrible murder take the chance? why not clean up everything including themself and the vehicle before attempting to dispose of body?
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Sally 07/17/2009 10:41:00 PM
I was Carol's lover before Jess. I spent sometime with the both of them in 2002. I noticed Carol was in a downward spiral at that time saying I was never her friend and the friends she had for many years were no longer friends anymore, she even stopped contact with her own family.
This is truly a tragic end to a gifted and well liked woman.
My heart will always yearn for Carol
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noway 07/17/2009 3:47:00 PM
"i knew both carol and jess for many years, and the official police story is so full of holes it isn't funny."
You should go see someone about your grief; it is making you unable to accept the most likely explanation of the available facts.
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q 07/16/2009 6:50:00 PM
and since everyone knows that police prefer having 2 unsolved murders to one neatly cleared high profile case, the possibility that the official story is totally preposterous shouldn't occur to anybody. here you have a blood drenched killer, with her dead victim riding alongside- in a bmw with a fresh coat of blood on it- driving 2 miles w/o being seen by a police car or other motorist. then, travelling the 2 miles back, on foot, again without anybody seeing anything.
i knew both carol and jess for many years, and the official police story is so full of holes it isn't funny. somebody should ask them if carol had injuries consistent with a violent struggle like they describe such as scratches or bruises on her forearms. or if jess had any evidence of a struggle with carol- or somebody else- under her fingernails. the possibility of alternative scenarios should be considered, including the proximity of this highly publicized tragedy to the anti-gay ballot initiative. the story dominated florida headlines for the entire week before election day.
i miss both of them every day, and the only thing worse than not having them in my life anymore is the certainty that somebody got away with murder here. who ended up getting the house, i wonder?
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Mark 07/15/2009 11:25:00 PM
"If Mass had never married them, they wouldn't have needed a divorce and they could have gone their own ways instead of acting crazy and psychotic. This was partially caused by States providing a civil union, what they had wanted so much was partly responsible for their downfall."
No, Larry. If they hadn't been married in Massachusetts, they still would have owned a home together and been deeply financially tied to one another with no legal resources to help them separate. Their marriage didn't enable them to become entangled. They already were. If Florida recognized their marriage, they could have gone to court and a judge could have helped them disentangle.
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Larry 07/15/2009 10:54:00 PM
In regards to one of closing comments. If Mass had never married them, they wouldn't have needed a divorce and they could have gone their own ways instead of acting crazy and psychotic. This was partially caused by States providing a civil union, what they had wanted so much was partly responsible for their downfall.
Truly a sad story, but the reality is that no one is worth this and unfortunately neither of them was intelligent enough to realize that!
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Jane D 07/15/2009 7:03:00 PM
This is beautifully written but terribly sad. It seems like Jessica was a wonderful woman the world will miss a lot. I'll have both of these women in my prayers.