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Guest 03/23/2012 2:44:00 AM
Hey, does anyone know anything about Bowman? Was he just a poor patsy that got caught in Battle's schemes, or was he an essential part of it, as some say?
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Me 11/07/2011 6:56:00 PM
Lets set the record straight on FCDS. Not that I am a fan of HMB. I disagreed with many of the things he did while at FCDS. The MAP program, for example, is a disaster. His focus on endowment and the almighty dollar made me sick. But lets be fair on one thing...
When he came to FCDS the school was in severe financial trouble and your outstanding school was probably less than 2 years from closing its doors forever. He did a lot of good and a lot of not so good while he was there. He played a big role in turning FCDS around. You may not like what it became but without him or someone else who was willing to make big changes FCDS would no longer exist.From someone who had inside knowledge of the schools finances at that time, those are cold hard facts.With Hank you have to know what you are getting. He is smart, charismatic, and likable. He is also self centered, egotistical, and not always above board. He is at his core an agent of change. If radical change is needed he is just your guy. He will perform a complete overhaul of any system he runs. This is more of a story about how the Board at Pine Crest didn't really understand what they needed or what they were getting and hired the wrong guy for the job.Did FCDS need someone like Hank, absolutely. Did he out stay his welcome at FCDS, probably so. Was he a good fit for Pine Crest, absolutely not.
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Guest 10/02/2011 5:27:00 PM
Embarrassing situation
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Johndoecomments 10/02/2011 5:24:00 PM
Is it true that the Board of Trustees is getting ready to start another search? We are all in big trouble if that is the case. As a community, we really need to question how our school is being run.
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Guest 09/12/2011 2:23:00 AM
That must be why they got along so well with Pine Crest's current Board of Trustees!
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Guest 09/12/2011 12:09:00 AM
Hank Battle and David Bowman were such unethical people and made FCDS a terrible school with VERY LOW academic standards. I taught at this school when it was an outstanding place not concerned with having the latest new building to house flat screen TV's . When Battle and Perry came together you knew you were being screwed and everyone with any moral compass felt dirty.
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Dorasani54 09/08/2011 11:43:00 PM
Pine Crest should have done their homework on Battle. We hated him at FCDS. He is a phony and cut throat. Sorry he hurt another school.
Reddy
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Guest 08/31/2011 2:29:00 AM
Now that school has started, one can hope more answers will be forthcoming about this debacle. Who was responsible for bringing Hank Battle to Pine Crest? Where is the accountability? What direction are we heading in now? This episode was a tremendous embarrassment for our entire community and almost destroyed our school.
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Guest 08/24/2011 2:46:00 PM
Hank Battle should have kept his pants on and his mouth shut!!!!!!
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Guest 08/24/2011 2:43:00 PM
Change is sometimes difficult, but it was not the firing of most of these teachers that caused the outburst at PIne Crest. Although some beloved teachers were let go in a very disrespectful way, his overall treatment of the entire faculty and staff was incredibly poor. Because of this, we lost some of our most outstanding teachers, too. Many of them chose not to renew their contracts if it meant working under Battle. They didn't care for the lies, the scheme to make money off the parents, and his lack of educational inspiration. Most of us were excited for change, but had hoped for a positive one. If given the year or two you suggest, there would have been nothing left of our school. The firing of these teachers, although unpleasant, was the least of our problems with Hank Battle.
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Guest 08/24/2011 4:20:00 AM
I graduated from FCDS in 2002 and was there before and during Battles' tenure. Although I did not agree with all of his policies he did great things for the school. He canned the boring teachers content with current status and recruited the good, inspirational ones. No one seems to be familiar with why certain teachers were not renewed at Pine Crest, but my most influential teachers, both college and high school, were young, exciting people that students could relate too. Battle should have moved slower to get rid of the poor faculty, but he had a vision and was eager to pursue. Too bad the board caved to whiny parents and didn't give him a year or two to see what he could make of the situation. By the way, he expelled quite a few of my friends and we all talked a bunch of trash about him, but he knows how to raise money and he knows a good teacher when he sees one.
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Guest 08/24/2011 3:23:00 AM
What has this cost the school in payouts, settlements and legal fees so far?
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Anon 08/22/2011 12:31:00 AM
I wonder if Battle put FCDS's reaccreditation at risk because while employed there he went out and hired HIMSELF, conducted required surveys on HIMSELF, and sold the results back to HIMSELF via his "consulting" firm. Suspect hirings and other activites channeled through there too
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Phantomjoel2002 08/19/2011 4:33:00 PM
Pine Crest has turned into a snob school for those who have a tremendous amount of money and can afford to buy their child an education.
Gone are the days when the school was run by Mae McMillan. Now every one with money has their hand in the pot. These people think they know how to run a premiere school. They think because they are well off they should have input into the school's direction. The educators should be running the school. That is what they have been trained to do. Forget the money mongers..put them on the back shelf and if they don't like it, then send their child to another school.
I went to the old Pine Crest for eleven years where there was a genuine sense of family and concern for one another. We left the school with a strong foundation to pursue wherever field we wished to engage in. My Mother taught at the school and when she developed leukemia, the whole school engaged in a blood bank for her. We didn't have much money but Mrs. Millan gave me and my two sisters a scholarship. I was more into athletics but my sisters were valedictorian and salutatorian. Mrs. Mae McMillan loved us all and she ran the show..period.
I am sorry to see Pine Crest going through all their current problems. I consider Pine Crest to be a great school because it is the students and facility who make it distinguished.
Sincerely, Joel Dina Lenzi O'Connell
She loved us all and and was in the trenches with all of us on a daily basis.
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neighbor 08/18/2011 5:26:00 AM
It appears he was attempting to insulate himself and syphon money. Seems to be a pattern with him.
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Guest 08/17/2011 3:32:00 PM
Before Forsyth Country Day, Battle was at Charlotte Latin School as Development Director (aka money-raiser). It seemed at the time that he left abruptly and under administrative scrutiny.
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08/16/2011 12:21:00 PM
Nicely written, Brian. Thanks for your perspective, and for taking the time to make a reasoned counter-argument. If you're a journalist, though, I'm surprised that you jump to the conclusion that opinions like yours were omitted from the article out of bias or malice, rather than the simple fact that no detractors of Dr. Cowgill came forward to speak to the paper.
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FL923 08/16/2011 3:30:00 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the PARENTS that are paying? It is most certainly NOT the students. And typically people are fired with cause, which is backed up with extensive paperwork in order to avoid a lawsuit. Battle told people what he was doing and thought it was funny. The school had its issues, but this article didn't even scratch the surface of how horribly Hank Battle conducted himself in those 99 days. He was a disgrace.
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08/15/2011 2:34:00 PM
Disclosure (Something which Stefan Kamph, the author of this piece, should have done at the head of it, not the tail): I am a Pine Crest parent, and I have 15 years as a professional journalist and editor. This story should have started with the disclaimer that you would be only hearing from fans of Dr. Cowgill, those terminated, and those who have plenty to gain by sullying Pine Crest's reputation in the media to force a speedy settlement for their age discrimination lawsuits.
There was a lot of innuendo thrown into this piece that seems to paint Pine Crest as a place of peace in the valley and fabulous educational opportunity ruined by the headmaster who ties old people to the railroad tracks and pals with students.
Dr. Cowgill sainted as she is by Mr. Kamph's sources, had her own issues. Under her tenure, Pine Crest saw the departure of numerous talented administrators. The headmaster's position at both campuses has been in flux for years.
She bumped class sizes up from the 180s to the 220-230 range at the high school when my oldest son started four years ago. If you do the math, that's at least $4.5M in revenue between tuition for the four classes admitted at that size and extras like bus service and parking and all of the other hidden costs. It helps build a building or two without a campaign. It also bumped up class sizes in some classes to 24 to a classroom.
Teachers were added, but several turned out to be very inadequate to the job, or were there for very short terms by their own design. It does not aid in stability for the children's education.
Dr. Cowgill herself departed quietly, but under circumstances where there were question marks as well. Her CFO was forced to step down last year after some irregularities popped up. It would have been fair to report that life was not always sunny there previously.
Mr. Kamph mentions Brandon Knight. Fine young man. One could ask why the school poured money into selected portions of the Athletics program under Dr. Cowgill and not others. Why athletics saw the lion's share of discretionary spending while facilities in the arts grew decades out of date.
A prior headmaster expressed frustration at times with teachers who had been at the school many years who had not kept up with their educational training, and were failing to apply some of the continuing education which the school provided to them. This might also explain some of the dismissals of teachers suing the school for age discrimination. It might not.
One might look at the disparities between the academic performance of the lower school in Fort Lauderdale and at the Boca campus and get a better understanding of why any administrator would want to make changes to bring performance levels up to similar standards at both campuses.
Pine Crest has a tremendous college placement program. It provides a very high level of academics. What is something of an indictment of past leadership though, is that the majority of "famous" people from the school come from Bill MacMillian's days running the place, when it was more dynamic and less rubric-driven. We have a porn star from Dr. Cowgill's tenure who floats up when people talk about famous alumni of more recent days. Beyond that, there may be more, but, other than Mr. Knight, few are touted often or come to mind.
As one Pine Crest headmaster noted: "It's a good school that could be a great school." It's not a great school yet, although I am sure it will be one day.
It was time for a change in culture, modernizing the academics and in bringing the school up to speed with the Andovers, Choates, Horace Manns and Harvard-Westlakes. It is unfortunate that the Board did such a poor job with the due diligence on Mr. Battle, and that these transitions weren't better handled. One should also wonder about the wisdom that the Board used in authorizing a headmaster's salary of $1M a year plus bonuses.
The school needs to move forward.
Progress would be in using more dynamic teaching method, and teaching kids to think outside the box more, take chances, and serve the community around them as leaders for their generation.
It would be nice if a fraction of all of this found its way into this very slanted article.
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flvr 08/14/2011 3:00:00 AM
pc is a non-profit institution. battle was recruited and hired by the board alone. either he lied to them also or they are all good liars too. my guess is they sanctioned much of his plan but he took things way overboard in his implementation. in the end i think it was his personal behavior that did him in. hard to sort through the facts but everyone seems very relieved he and bowman are gone
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guest 08/14/2011 1:21:00 AM
Chuck Jones was also employed by Hank Battle's company Newsouth Associates NS while at Forsyth. Hank tried to bring all those guys to Florida to surround himself with again but I don't think any of them wound up there after this mess. Does anyone know where David Bowman landed? We sure don't want any of that gang back here in NC!
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guest 08/13/2011 11:35:00 PM
I would ask you to verify your facts when insinuating that he had "success at almost every level." Yes, he has been around education for a long time, but after 12 years at his last school, one saw a dramatic DECREASE in every common measure of student success. This is all while maintaining an educational training and teacher recuiting company on the side. The only area in which he claimed true success was financial, and if you look closely at the actual numbers, and how they were calculated, the results are not nearly as dramatic as he led people to believe. And what he did achieve came at quite a cost. If you were to look into his history a little more carefully, you may also be interested to know about past dismissals and reasons. This guy is bad news. He DID know exactly what he was doing. I have to believe that although the board may have been asleep at the wheel, and clearly didn't do their homework, no one could ever have anticipated this madness. In my opinion, Hank Battle should be banned from the field of education for life. No student, family, school, or true educator should be subjected to this type of experience ever again.
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Edu 08/13/2011 6:02:00 PM
The untold story here is the unethical Pine Crest board. I'm baffled at how the media has missed this. As unethical and vicious the tactics of Battle were, they were at the behest of a board that called on their type of guy to do exactly that. Are the investigative reporters afraid of the multimillionaire Penthouse magazine owner and his ilk? The board is made up of dollar-driven power mongers who live by situational ethics. Do you really think they thought Battle was an inspirational, squeaky clean, servant leader? Come on -- they knew exactly what they had gotten, and they ran for the hills when it crashed down on them. It's way easier to knife the scapegoat than to sell the slash-and-burn tactics to the constituency.
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Edu 08/13/2011 6:00:00 PM
The untold story her is the unethical Pine Crest board. I'm baffled at how the media has missed this. As unethical and vicious the tactics of Battle were, they were at the behest of a board that called on their type of guy to do exactly that. Are the investigative reporters afraid of the multimillionarie Penthouse magazine owner and his ilk? The board is made up of dollar-driven power mongers who live by situational ethics. Do you really think they thought Battle was an inspirational, squeaky clean, servant leader? Come on -- they knew exactly what they had gotten, and they ran for the hills when it crashed down on them. It's way easier to knife the scapegoat than to sell the slash-and-burn tactics to the constituency.
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08/13/2011 5:58:00 PM
completely agree! for better or for worse, for-profit education is front and center in the american discussion at the moment (see devry, concordia, university of phoenix, american intercontinental university, corporate MBA programs et al.) ... facts are, the board actively recruited him and the administration signed off on his hire. don't shoot the messenger, ask about the hiring process and the dozens of people apparently asleep or careless at the wheel. battle's going to do just fine, if he doesn't sue for slander sometime soon. -- class of 1978
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Parkybk 08/13/2011 5:50:00 PM
You might be right about a lot of what you say, but to say he "doesn't know the first thing about education" is just stupid. He's a veteran educator with extensive experience and success at almost every level. Disagree with his foolish tactics or his disregard for people, but don't discredit your argument by saying he didn't know what he was doing. He did exactly what the board wanted him to do, and they chickened out and backed away. That's the one thing I think that is blatantly obvious.
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Alum 08/12/2011 2:41:00 PM
excellent reporting....New Times .!!!!
the Pine Crest Board- for all their "expertise" should be ashamed that
they allowed this to happen. The Parents who were activists in the background
are the true heroes here.
Time lost and steps backward for Pine Crest ....but not unrecoverable...
if the effort doesn't stop there...
BRAVO to ousting Battles . Now changes should be made on the PC Board as well...to assure that the proper influence and direction of the school is REGAINED and then maintained. Ask , "Who made the introduction of Mr Battles?" Who on the Board were most influential in the decision? Changes are needed.
And IF Mr Battles is on Linked In - his recent "achievements" should be added to his
link by the now enlighted PC Board members and parents . Isn't the internet amazing .
And someone please contact The Dallas newspapers, suggest they write an article about Mr Battles and his education group which the blog indicates is now located in Dallas.
The ousting isn't really completed until the door is nailed shut on Battles.
Why should he have a free pass to operate further under the "guise" of education.
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MC92 08/08/2011 3:24:00 PM
And now Hank Battle winds up at The Education Group once run by George Conway, the same person who placed him at Pine Crest! Newsouth Associates NS is also alive and well...educators and schools beware!!!
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guest 08/08/2011 3:14:00 PM
Bravo to the PC Moms that were able to spot this scam and shame on the PC Board that was not. This man didn't know the first thing about education! How does that go unnoticed when interviewing for a Head of School position? Budgets were allocated and approved for programs no one could fully explain. Funds were disproportionally diverted without concern. Stories constantly changed depending on audience. No schoolwide meetings allowed. Cronies hired with shady pasts. Teachers treated poorly. Childrens' best interest placed last. Parental concerns dismissed. Questions unanswered. Numerous conflicting interests. School divided and confusion infused. Zero communication. Scary he got as far as he did. How did that happen? What happens now?
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Smatthew 08/07/2011 6:35:00 PM
I happen to be in a meeting at Cannon School in Concord NC when Battle and his group came in to advise us on how to up the money funding at our beautiful school . I remember I left the meeting thinking what a scam,they spent the complete 2 hours talking how to get more money from each parent . How to target them, words to use to make them want to give your school more money. The underlining theme was target kids and their parents who were vulnerable to pressure especially targeting young kindergarden kids and their parents.
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Winstonsalemobserver 08/07/2011 4:01:00 PM
BATTLE and his consulting firm wanted to teach all schools how to put a $ sign on each child that walked into their door. Most school had too much integrity for this plan, a word FCDS board is not used to seeing except only in their motto!
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FormerFCDSParent 08/07/2011 3:30:00 PM
After our children attended FCDS we saw first hand the carnage he created at this small school. He had and still has people at this school who protected him with his vision of getting each parent to understand their child could not possibly learn the material without an $8000 per year tutor or academic coach. It was a sight to see small town teachers and adminstarators driving new BMW'S or Mercedes(fellow on board) getting more money than most could ever dream of making teaching. Taking PE teachers and making them administrators who would never have these positions in the real world. They all drank from the trough of Hank Battle's scheme---all are guilty of leaving the children second to the scheme of making as much money as possible from each child. No one looked out for the kids.
Sorry Pine Crest , some one did not do their homework on this fellow.
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Billy Budd 08/04/2011 10:46:00 PM
The name Chuck Jones never comes up in this article. He served under Battle at FCDS and was ousted after 1.5 years at a school in Columbia, SC. Is he at Pine Crest? If so, what is he doing there? He is a tight Battle confidante....look into it.
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Jjorizzo 08/04/2011 9:06:00 PM
Makes the Forsyth Country Day Board look pathetIc !!!
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Susanbrow 07/29/2011 10:31:00 AM
Had there been more investigation into Hank Battle's performance at FCDS, perhaps the true nature of his character would have been discovered before he landed at Pine Crest. I am a former teacher and parent from FCDS who watched with horror as he did the same things to us. He just ratcheted his abuse up by the time he got to Pine Crest, having successfully gotten away with so much at FCDS. I wish the best to both schools and to his family in their attempts to recover from the damage that this hedonistic, narcissistic man has inflicted.
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guest 07/29/2011 4:15:00 AM
While there is no denying Pine Crest was at a crossroad at the time of Mr. Battle's hiring, Hank's lack of vision, leadership, and ethics, immediately transformed what could have been an upward spiral into a living nightmare. I wish the school well in recovering from this disaster. Debt is something we can deal with, destruction we could not.
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anonymous 07/28/2011 11:07:00 PM
They DID most certainly agree to a $5mm contract, that's $1mm a year on a 5 year contract. Do the math, that's accurate.
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Anonomous 07/28/2011 11:04:00 PM
If you read Hank Battle's bio on The Education Group website, it doesn't mention the Pine Crest debacle. WHAT 'OLD COLLEAGUE' promoted Battle to the Board, and did that person work for a 'consulting company' that Hank was affiliated with? Something's fishy.
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PC Grad 07/27/2011 1:59:00 PM
I’m a PC alum.
While the Hank Battle affair has been a debacle for the school, the real questions going forward are how does Pine Crest get out of this debt situation the board has allowed to be created. Assuming $80 million in debt (I’ve actually heard a number a bit higher), we are talking about annual debt service in about the $4 million range. That’s the tuition payments of 176 of the high school students just to service debt alone.
Pine Crest perpetually solicits alumni for donations, but why would I give anything merely to retire the debt already incurred? Why did the board feel it necessary to build all these new facilities? Pine Crest doesn’t compete with any local school for the top students, and new facilities would have little impact on college admissions. It seems these were building created for the egos of those involved.
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Just Askin' 07/26/2011 1:26:00 PM
If Battle was dating moms of Pine Crest students while still married, wouldn't that be a breach of some moral turpitude clause in his contract?
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Guest 2 07/25/2011 11:40:00 PM
Okay 1122abc, you got him on the typos. Battle has two daughters and one wife. It was announced that the whole family was moving to Florida and his younger daughter would be enrolled at the school. Never happened.
Battle did in fact ALMOST turn the job down. Why, I don't know. Even he didn't completely disclose his reasons. In meetings he alluded to his family situation. But yes, he almost didn't come. Many of us think it was it a play to get more money out of PC. Maybe his conscience did spark a bit. Who knows. Sadly for the School he came and made a mess.
Now we have a Learning Initiative Center (read "Academic Center" without an actual building) so that dumbing down of admissions and standards continues.
The story hasn't ended.
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Trained Observer 07/25/2011 5:31:00 PM
Pine Crest board showed themselves to be bunch of rubes when bringing in Battle. Surprising, since many of them should have known better. Hopefully the school will tighten academics and stop bussing in so many dum-dums from Weston.
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AlbertKnows 07/24/2011 11:08:00 PM
This article doesn't address all of the mom's Battle was doing.
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Milan Pibbs 07/24/2011 10:48:00 PM
... will you marry me???
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FQS9000 07/24/2011 8:56:00 PM
What a weaselly hatchet job on Mr, Battle. The board of directors at Pine Crest is incompetent, not him as this snotty article implies.
A. The board took on $80 million in debt, not Battle.
B. The board fired Cowgill, not Battle.
C. The board told Battle to fire the teachers, as this couldn't not have happened any other way.
D. Asking students which teachers are incompetent is an excellent idea, after all, they are paying.
E. Anytime anybody old gets fired, they file an age discrimination lawsuit, which they usually lose. It is a standard lawyer urged tactic to goose cash out of the employer, from which the lawyer extracts a fat chunk.
F. Of course nobody was told why they were fired. If you tell anybody anything, it merely winds up in the lawsuit.
G. Battle is getting a divorce. So what?
The rest of the article is innuendo. What a piece of drivel. Battle should sue the New Times for practicing rotten biased journalism.
BTW - There are plenty of lousy teachers in the world who desperately need firing and after 20 odd years with the same headmaster, it is a certainty that the faculty lounge was filled with cronies and deadwood.
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Yahoo 07/23/2011 8:47:00 AM
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Mycat2 07/22/2011 9:00:00 PM
Wow. Let us all hope your lack of ability in grammar doesn't reflect upon the school. And what this whole ordeal has to do with "Republicans" is another quandry. I think you're possibly lying about your education at PC and would just like to add some ammunition to your arsenal of PC bias. But if you're truly an alum, keep up the "not keeping up" with the school. Seems to be working for you!
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07/22/2011 6:49:00 PM
Have you actually read Harry Potter? The analogy fits quite nicely.
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Milan Pibbs 07/21/2011 9:04:00 PM
So Hank Battle wasn't a choirboy: neither were several administrators when I attended the school, and their various and sundry affairs had no impact whatsoever on the exceptional education I received at the school. Can we please move past the hypocritical hand wringing and get serious answers as to how the school found itself in such financial disarray with the group in charge before the new guy came calling? The obscene over-build at the school lies resolutely in the lap of Doctora Cowgill, Estes Carnes and the erstwhile board of directors. I also strongly suggest that Pine Crest hire an experienced crisis management team, as there is no reason whatsoever why this particular article needed to be published with so many errors of fact. -- Milan
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Guest 07/21/2011 8:36:00 PM
Hank Battle rapidly proved that he was neither a "distinguished educator" nor a "capable figurehead" during his time at Pine Crest. In fact, his shameful behavior, both professionally and personally, turned out to be the antithesis of everything a headmaster should be. Hopefully the school will recover, and grow stronger and smarter for having weathered this incredibly negative experience.
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07/21/2011 7:20:00 PM
I am a graduate of Pine Crest and absolutely proud to say so. I was a member of the last class to graduate before Boca Academy came on. Needless to say, there was some sentiment then that Pine Crest would not be the same. If anything, the rivalry between the Boca campus and the Ft. Lauderdale campus seems a lot to blame for this debaucle. It is reprehensible that the factions sacrificed ther reputation of our school to serve their own selfishness. Were Dr. Cowgill not removed, there would never have been an article like this to tarnish the reputation of our school and make it subject to gossip and rumor. I was taught by some of the faculty mentioned in this article and who lost their jobs. For those of you who will take to heart this article and not send your kids to Pine Crest, you do only injustice to your children. I trust that the dedicated factulty who remain and those who would go back will not let Pine Crest fail just because of the Battle.
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07/21/2011 5:11:00 PM
A few errors made it into the story due to mistakes made while transcribing notes from interviews. I intended to name another trustee, not Pozzuoli, as a Boca Raton parent. William McMillan is not on the current faculty, and Hank Battle has two children, according to his employer's biography. We regret the errors. The online version will reflect these changes.
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dormie 07/21/2011 3:25:00 PM
thank you for the correction, and i am so sorry to hear of mrs. huyber's passing ... at a recent reunion, we all surmised that HER class was one of the most useful classes we had while attending pine crest, as it set us up quite nicely for our future transition to desktop and notebook computers. please give my warmest regards to her remaining survivors.
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Ellen Huybers Ramm 07/21/2011 10:37:00 AM
This is a reply to "dormie." My name is Ellen Huybers (when I taught Kindergarten at Pine Crest 1972-1990) Ramm (remarried in NC). My sister-in-law, Barbara Huybers,
taught typing in the mid 1970s. She died in 2010 in Orlando. Yes, I was (am) more
interested and involved in Pine Crest. Thanks for the memories!
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guest 07/21/2011 8:53:00 AM
It's been a long time since Pine Crest has been a "very tight, happy educational family" - that was over by the time I was a senior there. My 13 years there taught me that as that school becomes more and more of a corporation, it becomes less and less a good school. Sure, the kids will still grow up there and learn there, and there will be good an bad teachers there. I'm sure the facilities have improved since I went there, and I'm sure there are still some very accomplished graduates, though the list in this article is quite unimpressive. Where are the governors, presidents, movie stars (Kelsey Grammar?), and Olympians? I don't follow Pine Crest, since I left there. I wasn't happy with that school then, and I won't ever send any kids there, if I ever have any. I'm sure Pine Crest is going to survive for quite some time - maybe even thrive. I'm sure there are lots of schools that will. But as for this mess . . . it seems that they didn't do their homework, just like it seems that the Republicans didn't do THEIR homework, before the last presidential election, and just like most of the investors who invested $millions with Madoff and got screwed. They deserve all the bad that they get, for being lazy, and not checking out their prospect thoroughly. It's not like they didn't have the money to be more careful, is it?
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Guest 07/21/2011 6:44:00 AM
So New Times doesn't care much about the "facts" these days, do they? Yes, there are dozens of mistakes in this article and no, they will not write a correction for any of them. But as long as the story gets a lot of clicks and comments, the corporate overlords - and thus everyone on the staff - will be plenty happy. Is it journalism? No, but they haven't cared about that in years. Just ask Bob Norman.
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Mindspin 07/21/2011 3:08:00 AM
Now, if only everyone that lost their jobs could get them back.
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JDC 07/21/2011 3:04:00 AM
Follow the money trail at FCDS and Hank Battle's "consulting" company NewSouth Associates NS. More importantly, look at the educational results at FCDS compared to what was promised to them, as well as to PC, and the effects of an Academic Center structured in the way proposed. One may also want to check out the connection between George Conway and The Education Group.
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Abc123 07/21/2011 1:57:00 AM
The author of this ridiculous article 'likes' the analogy between the school and Harry Potter - really, Stephan?
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Benita Tobin, '78 07/20/2011 11:59:00 PM
Will Harry Potter and his friends save Hogwarts School now that Dumbledore (Mae McMillan) is gone and The Ministry of Magic (Board of Trustees at Pine Crest) overrun by Death Eaters (fill this in for yourself) serving the evil Lord Voldemort's (same here) agenda have taken over the school and appointed Delores Umbridge (Hank Battle) headmistress? Stay tuned ...
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dormie 07/20/2011 11:45:00 PM
ellen (huyber) ramm was my typing teacher at pine crest in the mid-1970s, so she's a bit more savvy to the institution than you may think.
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07/20/2011 9:20:00 PM
"Fifth" should read "fourth," you're right. We'll fix it.
As to your broader complaint: I made multiple attempts to speak to board members, past and present. Unfortunately, the board decided to refer me to Communications Director Karla DeJean, who was rather unhelpful throughout the entire reporting process, sending me only a three-paragraph statement and refusing to answer my questions or arrange an interview with anybody, or even speak to me on the phone.
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John Henry 07/20/2011 7:32:00 PM
LOL. These rich idiots have more money than brains. Serves them right.
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TK421 07/20/2011 7:24:00 PM
Ha! Almost as sensational as your gross overuse of punctuation. You learn to write like that at Pine Crest?
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Topstock 07/20/2011 7:14:00 PM
Stefan - Who told you this?????? "Battle continues to fight with the school over the rest of his $5 million contract, according to sources familiar with the situation, who say that ending it prematurely is not going to be easy." Were you one of the few privileged board members who actually saw the contract??? ....... No, I didn't think so!!! Do you know that he is still fighting over his contract????? or has an agreement been reached?????? or will there be litigation????? Who are your 'sources familiar with the situation'??????? Actually you do not have the answers to ANY of these questions!!!!! If you knew anything about how not-for-profits actually were governed, you would know that not one of those board members would have agreed to pay anyone $5mm. Maybe you should go back and check your facts rather than making them up!!!!! This article is nothing more than a disgusting regurgitation of your false information. Pine Crest is a great school and will continue to be a great school for a long time. The only thing this article is: a prime example of SENSATIONALISM in journalism!!!
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Getitright 07/20/2011 6:50:00 PM
Stefan - FYI - you're WRONG AGAIN - Ed Pozzuoli's children have never been enrolled at the Boca Raton campus of Pine Crest School. You have your facts ALL WRONG AGAIN. Ed Pozzuoli was the registered agent for the LLC that was to be the purchaser of a residence for Hank Battle. The reason for this was to protect the school. Mr. Pozzuoli got no benefit from filing this paperwork. In fact, all he has gotten is the bullshit you have written. Do you think that your career in journalism will be enhanced by name-dropping major players in your article? Marc Bell, David Stern, Brandon Knight, Kelsey Grammar and John Medeski? Really, you must get your facts straight, and these five people have nothing to do with it!!!!
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Allwrongstefan 07/20/2011 6:31:00 PM
First page, last paragraph - Stefan, let me help you here - Bill McMillan was the second president of the school. Lourdes Cowgill was the third president of the school. The first handover to a non-McMillan was to Lourdes Cowgill, not Hank Battle (he was the fourth president - are you with me here Stefan?) - you're WRONG again - oh ...... and Bill McMillan DOES NOT STILL TEACH -
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Abc234 07/20/2011 6:24:00 PM
Ellen Ramm - You have no clue what is going on! If you think this is a good article by Stefan, then perhaps you need to stay tuned to the comments so you can learn the real facts!!
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1122abc 07/20/2011 6:22:00 PM
Stefan - I would give you about a D- on your portrayal of what really happened - unfortunately, the only people who REALLY know what occurred over the past two years are those that were present in the board room. Let me however, review this article for those who do not have the benefit of being in that room over the past several years.
First of all, in paragraph 3, you state that Hank Battle was the fifth president of Pine Crest School. WRONG - If you would have done your research, you would know that Hank Battle was the fourth president of the school.
In paragraph 8, you write of Hank Battle and how he almost turned down the job because it would be hard on his wife and three children. Unless you are counting a pet as a child, you should know, Stefan, that he has only two children. And he DID NOT ALMOST turn down the job because of his wife and children. He DID NOT ALMOST turn down the job, period. He took the job!
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Abc123 07/20/2011 6:04:00 PM
You've got to be kidding me Stefan - really?
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Olfolkiejim 07/20/2011 4:54:00 PM
Or, this could be the end of what was once a very tight, happy educational family and the ruin of a once great school.
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Ellen Ramm 07/19/2011 7:51:00 PM
A good article by Stefan Kamph! He certainly has done his homework. It is sad what has happened to Pine Crest but it will rebound and be stronger (and wiser) in the future.
Ellen Ramm