Hard-Core Disney Fans Can't Be Corralled by the Corporate-Approved Fan Club, D23

Pete Werner had been clean and sober for nearly a year. He'd attended his third treatment program, moved in with his parents in Ocean Grove, New Jersey, and started working to slowly rebuild the life he had lost chasing booze and drugs. He had spent all his money and lived on the streets for a while, but at age 26, he had recently landed a job as a programmer for a company that made software for the military. He tried to keep his friends and his boyfriend close.

Pete Werner, 46, near the site of his 1991 Epcot epiphany.
Stefan Kamph
Pete Werner, 46, near the site of his 1991 Epcot epiphany.
At the Magic Kingdom, a real-life "DIS meet" of Disney fans from the online boards.
Stefan Kamph
At the Magic Kingdom, a real-life "DIS meet" of Disney fans from the online boards.

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His next addiction started on a lonely business trip. Werner flew into Orlando International Airport in May 1991 for a conference. He had one day off before the event began, so he got in his rental car and followed the overhead signs toward Walt Disney World, destination zero. He didn't realize it at the time, but he was about to be reborn as one of the world's most influential Disney nerds.

He had no particular love for Disney lore, found no nostalgic childhood comfort in the movies or characters. Simply curious and killing time, he arrived at Epcot, paid his money, held a ticket in his hand. And then — as he tells this story, his Disney-mania foundation myth, he gets wistful and a little giddy remembering the rush — he walked around Future World.

He heard what he would later call "bush music," happy tunes emanating from speakers hidden behind Disney's immaculately landscaped shrubs. He watched the crowd, which was light on this weekday. He sat on a bench, dumbfounded but alive, and stared up at Spaceship Earth, the huge, resplendent polyhedron.

"This," thought Werner, "is why I did drugs."

During his treatment, Werner had tried to catalog his emotions, taking stock of his elusive highs and his more persistent, searching lows. This feeling was new, though. He had seen the skyscrapers of New York, but this was somehow larger. Disney World existed for the sole purpose of enjoyment. Abandon was OK here, and it didn't require chemicals.

Before long, Werner would find a way to feed his habit and sustain a full-time Disney high. He made Disney his work. He began organizing Disney tours and, more influentially, established an online fan forum: the DIS boards at disboards.com, the internet home to hundreds of thousands of hard-core Disney fans.

Disney, when measured by revenue — $30-some billion per year — is the largest media company in the world. It has a market capitalization of $62 billion and subsidiary businesses that include radio, television, sports broadcasting, hotels, movie studios, and videogame developers. So Disney's individual theme-park visitors might seem like a minuscule part of the business. But taken together — as they always are, streaming through the gates in sweating masses — they're a tremendous source of cash.

Pete Werner and superfans like him make up a small but important fraction of the Disney audience. They pour roughly bazillions of dollars into the company coffers, whether it's by collecting Disney merchandise or returning to the safe confines of Disney parks whenever they need a lift.

So when Disney announced in 2009 that it would be starting its own "official" fan club and convention, offering a sanitized, controlled take on the fan experience, it stood to reason that these devotees would have some high expectations.

Werner's reaction? "D23 is bullshit."

For eons," said Walter Cronkite, "our planet has drifted as a spaceship through the universe. And for a brief moment, we have been its passengers." Werner had gotten up from his bench to board Spaceship Earth, his first Disney ride.

His blue Omnimover vehicle neared the top of its track inside the huge sphere, where an animatronic young man sat in front of a "Network Operations Center." Werner was carried upward into the top of the dome. Stars were everywhere, and a blue Planet Earth hovered amid the constellations.

The carriage squeaked and jerked and rotated slowly. Moving backward, it retreated down a ramp. Werner's back was pressed against the seat, his gaze angled upward at the receding world. The music swelled, and Cronkite spoke again: "Today, our search for understanding is unbounded by space and time. Centuries of information stand ready to reach us in an instant: our link with the past, our hope for the future."

After Werner returned from his business trip, he told everybody about his Epcot revelation and started planning to return the following year. His second trip only cemented his new obsession, and he started coming once a year, dragging along whomever he was dating. He would break up with at least one man who couldn't embrace Disney's appeal.

In 1998, Werner and his partner moved down to Orlando. They bought passes to the parks and kept exploring them until Werner's knowledge needed an outlet. The internet was just gaining popularity, and Werner learned HTML and created a personal website. That turned into an online Disney travel-planning guide, the DIS, which he approached with his usual obsession.

In November 1999, he launched a travel agency, Dreams Unlimited Travel, using the knowledge he had collected to sell tailored trips around Disney World's resorts. "We staffed it with Disney fans and taught them and ourselves to be travel agents," he recalls. He put ads for the travel agency on the discussion-board and travel-guide pages, and it's still the way he makes most of his money. Werner says his business has "grown by double digits" in recent years, save an 8 percent decline in last year's tough market.

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  • 11/29/2011 11:17:00 AM

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  • Scoutfreckles 11/19/2011 11:55:00 PM

    On that,  you are wrong.  There is nothing "cool" about Werner, and he's so deep in bullshit, he's drowning.

  • Tsmith1005 11/14/2011 6:09:00 PM

    You are an idiot, calling others out for sad negative energy when the entire article was nothing but that exact thing is moronic at best.

  • Tsmith1005 11/14/2011 5:56:00 PM

    Couldn't agree more, they talk to talk but don't walk the walk. Poor business.

  • 11/10/2011 1:44:00 PM

    http://phlpn.es/ahdxct

  • AngelElement444 11/07/2011 10:50:00 PM

    LOL!  Not too surprised by any of it but the forums are fun, though I haven;t had much time to visit this past year.  Funnily enough, I DID have a lot to do with picking the lime green!  it was about the only color not being used to recognize some illness or organization, that would stand out in a crowd.

  • 11/03/2011 1:59:00 AM

    http://tinyurl.com/4skyaqr

  • Songbird13291 10/30/2011 7:27:00 PM

    Seems there are a lot of unhappy former DIS board members. And a lot of unhappy former customers of Dreams Unlimited. Can it be because of the way Pete treats people?

  • COS 10/30/2011 6:35:00 PM

    Circle of sarcasm it's the UnDis!

  • Songbird13291 10/30/2011 1:44:00 PM

    Could barely wade through the article. Former member of Werner's board and current Disney fan. I didn't learn anything about Pete that I didn't already suspect. On my most recent trip to WDW, planbed without Pete's help, I had a wonderful time. Won't be giving him, or his travel agency, any more of my vacation money.

  • Loot101 10/30/2011 2:49:00 AM

    I think Pete sounds like a cool, no-bullshit guy.  Nice article

  • 10/29/2011 1:13:00 PM

    http://tinyurl.com/4skyaqr

  • JL 10/29/2011 11:28:00 AM

    hmm...I had to stop reading the article halfway through b/c it was so poorly written but I got the gist of what the author was attempting to say.  Being a long time listener of the DIS Unplugged podcast, and random browser of the DIS Boards, I guess I kinda know Pete's personality and it doesn't bother me at all.  He has a dry sense of humor, he has the NJ attitude, and I think it's hilarious.  He does love Disney and has every right to be extremely critical of the company.  He has the only 'real' opinion in the Disney community, if you ask me.  All the other extremely popular podcasts sugarcoat and gloss over everything.  In their eyes Disney can do no wrong and it's annoying.  Not everything is pixie dust and princesses in real life, and Pete makes sure to point out the flaws.  Bravo to him!

  • 10/29/2011 1:11:00 AM

    http://tinyurl.com/4skyaqr

  • 10/28/2011 1:30:00 PM

    http://tinyurl.com/4skyaqr

  • 10/28/2011 12:17:00 AM

    http://goo.gl/CrmZf

  • 10/27/2011 10:48:00 PM

    Oh, honey, every person on this planet is a REAL person.  To single Pete out for being REAL because his life has been a total train wreck is to dismiss the lives of the other seven billion people on the planet, most of whom have things so much harder.  Try living in abject poverty in a part of the world where help is not available.  When you look at REAL problems, Pete comes off as a whiny, selfish, insecure, insignificant brat who blames everyone else for his own failings as a human being.

  • Dark1wolf 10/27/2011 10:48:00 PM

    Pete sounds like a real douche. I run a Disney blog and I've always said that "Disney fans" who don't embrace Walt's optimism and hope for the future aren't real Disney fans. Try to look on the bright side of life once in a while.

  • 10/27/2011 1:19:00 PM

    All the personal attacks so far -- the real vitriol -- are coming from non-DISers. The most personally insulting thing that I ever heard Werner say was that "Steven Clark should be ashamed of himself." That was it. But there is a lot of strong feeling on both sides.

  • 10/27/2011 1:16:00 PM

    "She won't remember much of it, but watching her reactions, seeing it through her eyes, was a whole different experience," he says. "If you want the real experience, come here with someone you love."

  • JezusC PETE!!!!! :-( 10/27/2011 5:16:00 AM

    Pete, if you are REALLY so called "clean and sober", then you have ALOT of amends to make. ie, all the money you owe from the DIScons, banning people, etc, so much more!  But, hey! I'm not your sponser, thank God. Keep on thinking, on that third column, "what's MY part?" instead of blaming everyone else. (And sending over a few minions over here to defend you.) Pathetic really.  

  • Robsmi 10/27/2011 4:41:00 AM

    If you don't like Pete, don't go to his website.  That seems simple enough. Besides he said that he used to be annoyed by small kids and since he took a small child he understands.  That's at least a step in the right direction. So much whining both in the article and in the comments.

  • 10/27/2011 2:12:00 AM

    Keep drinking the juice David, I suppose you think everyone is great and wonderful!  He hates kids and is not a fan of Disney, but he makes his money off of those people, NICE.

  • 10/27/2011 1:55:00 AM

    Pete rules, he is a REAL person, he has flaws, imperfections just like everyone of the people who are writing negative comments about him on here. I think he is awesome, he is super funny, he does a LOT of charity work and he does a LOT for disney fans (who else rents out a Ride at Disneyworld at their own cost?) I love listening to Pete, i may not agree with everything he says, but im glad i live in a world where he is allowed to say what he thinks freely. DisUnplugged for the Win !!!

  • disneyfan 10/27/2011 1:44:00 AM

    No wonder the atmosphere on the DIS is so negative...look at their leader!  Ask a question and get your head bitten off by "experts".  I have a 10 year old who can give a better, more detailed answer...but he would never listen to her because she was, at one time, sat in"the shin-attacking strollers" having a "red-faced screaming fit".  What an ass...who does he think Walt designed the park for??  A middle aged man with a drinking problem who is making money hand over fist off of Walt?  Or families who want to make lasting memories?  Oh that's right...for Pete - because apparently it is all about him.

  • 10/27/2011 1:06:00 AM

    what a douche bag and people follow him on the Dis?????? WTF???? is wrong with people?

  • 007Wats 10/26/2011 10:56:00 PM

    Stefan Kamph -- regarding your Tweet saying people are saying horrendous things on here -- Pete Werner says some pretty horrendous things in the article, the article is incredibly biased and not representative of the views of millions of Disney fans, and he seems the unhappiest person of all.  I don't think the comments are any more horrendous than the smug, arrogant things he said to begin with.

  • YourDISbannees 10/26/2011 7:51:00 PM

    Hey Pete! We're still waiting for our money and our mugs!

  • A proud UnDis member 10/26/2011 7:09:00 PM

    As one of the posters thrown out of the DisBoards during Bangate in 2008 (for doing nothing more than having my words quoted on a rival site that spoke the truth about Pete), I find this to be a fascinating (albeit poorly-written) article. I really shouldn't be surprised that Pete was self-admittedly not sober when his irrational paranoia took other and permanently changed the tone of the DisBoards.

  • 007Wats 10/26/2011 7:03:00 PM

    What sad, sad people.  Rather than try to encourage Disney to do right by its fans they b**ch and moan and whine and complain.  In their criticisms they highlight not why Disney, as a major, multi-national corporation that, admittedly, has ignored its fans for far too long, has a long way to go to make the fan club truly great -- but why they have a long way to go to be effective human beings.  Well, I guess Disney can take heart in the old saw that there's "no such thing as bad publicity," because it made me go and investigate D23 more, and I have a feeling I know what I'm getting a couple of people for Christmas now. Oh, and next time I go to WDW and see an angry, fat man smoking under a tree and then pushing away small children so HE can get HIS picture with Goofy, at least I'll know who I'm looking at.

  • R2D2 10/26/2011 3:43:00 PM

    This article explains why Pete Warner is such a miserable so and so.    He's made a lot of money out of Disney.   He needs to remember that.

  • 10/26/2011 1:00:00 PM

    http://www.tinyurl.ie/4st

  • Loot101 10/26/2011 3:10:00 AM

    v

  • Ginnyfavers 10/26/2011 3:04:00 AM

    that's " bet the 'best' resort is Pop Century...

  • Ginnyfavers 10/26/2011 3:03:00 AM

    Pete is a miserable person who needs help with his dry drunk personality  The DIS is full of mean people -- there are moderators on there who are good folks, but many who are not, and believe me, the posts there by an endless stream of serious idiots is the butt of many inside jokes in the Disinternet community.  But yeah, D23 is an opp to buy overpriced "collectible" merch, and the Moms Panel, when they start recommending Pecos Bill's as their "tip" I'm out.  I mean, seriously.  Pecos Bill's is a recommendation?  Leave the park and go to the nearest Publix deli and eat in your car in their parking lot, you'll have a better culinary experience.  I be the "best" resort is Pop Century.  I know lots of people who call it The Projects.

  • 10/25/2011 10:10:00 PM

    Bleep blorp

  • 10/25/2011 10:10:00 PM

    This article is a tease.  It's not about how diehard fans are critical of the official fan club, it's about how two people don't like that Disney has ignored them even though they love it.  It's not about a legitimate beef with D23, it's about people whose lives fell short of their expectations so they want to try to blame something.  I don't expect much from a paper like the New Times, but I at least expect some reporting and some factual information, not 5,000 words of complaint from people who are *not* representative of Disney fans overall.  I would never, ever be associated with people like this.  By the way, I've never even *heard* of "DIS boards."

  • 10/25/2011 8:38:00 PM

    Wait?  I have a dark, sad soul, when these guys go to the MEDIA (if the New Times can be called "media") because they are mad that Disney didn't bother to consult with them?  Anyone who gives any credence to this article, they have a dark, sad soul. (You need a comma between those two adjectives, by the way.)

  • 10/25/2011 8:32:00 PM

    Sad negative energy --- I am sorry mommy and daddy did not love you more.

  • 10/25/2011 8:31:00 PM

    You have a dark sad soul.

  • 10/25/2011 7:49:00 PM

    What a**holes. The guy spends 75 bucks on "Tables in Wonderland" but thinks a fan club that sends out a beautiful magazine four times a year EACH with a collectible, plus also puts on the D23 Expo for ANYONE to attend (not just D23 fans), and also does special events that include a free series of screenings at the Walt Disney Studios, and ALSO gives discounts to its members at places like Super Shuttle and House of Blues in Orlando .......he thinks THAT is not worth $75 a year for someone who is a Disney nut? Sounds more like he's pissed off that Disney didn't want to hire him at some point and that he is angry he hasn't accomplished more with his life.  Why would New Times give a nut-job like this the time of day?

  • 10/25/2011 7:40:00 PM

    What's the point of this article?  That there are two angry middle-aged men who DESPERATELY need something to do and will pay $75 to get a 20% discount on overpriced Disney food and are upset that Disney didn't call them for advice because they're the real experts?  This is a patently stupid article, filled with the corporate fear-mongering that fuels Occupy Wall Street.  Disney is trying to do something good for its fans.  You didn't bother to point out that you can get a $35 a year membership.  I went to the D23 Expo, because I'm a Disney fan, and I absolutely loved every minute of it, and as an added bonus got to spend many hours at Disneyland across the street for a discounted price.  I'm a D23 member, and I LOVE getting the magazine, I went to one of the special studio tours that only D23 members get since the Disney Studios isn't open to the public for any kind of tours.  This article pisses me off.  Pete Werner needs to get a life.  Seriously.  I'm sorry for his drug addiction, I really am -- that's a horrible disease.  But he doesn't get to decide what being a Disney fan means. What a WHINER.

 

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