The issue is often too emotional for a rational discussion, she laments. "It's very surprising to me how uninformed people are about circumcision — even men who have been circumcised. I don't like to use the word ignorant, but it's amazing how uninformed they are — and how willing they are to be uninformed."

In Miami, protesters rallied in September 2010 outside of South Miami Hospital to support "Baby Mario" after he was circumcised against his mother's wishes. Vera Delgado filed a lawsuit over the incident, with her attorney, Spencer Aronfeld, accusing the doctor of battery. The hospital admitted that a consent form was misread. The case was settled, but terms were not disclosed.

Aronfeld proposed a "Mario's Law" that would prevent hospitals from circumcising newborn boys unless medically necessary, thus creating a waiting period so parents would not feel pressure to circumcise. No politician would sponsor it.

Dr. Helen Salsbury says many doctors do not numb babies' skin before a circumcision. She, however, injects a local anesthetic called lidocaine.
Deirdra Funcheon
Dr. Helen Salsbury says many doctors do not numb babies' skin before a circumcision. She, however, injects a local anesthetic called lidocaine.

Around the country, scores of patients have sued over botched circumcisions. The company that manufactured the Mogen clamp went out of business after the FDA received hundreds of complaints about it, and the company lost three multimillion-dollar lawsuits, including a $10.8 million judgment for a Florida boy who lost the head of his penis when it became trapped in the clamp. Mogens, however, are still available on eBay for less than $20.

Aronfeld suggests that the anticircumcision effort suffers from a perception that it's a fringe movement of hippies and weirdos. "They sort of need a national spokesperson," he says. So far, no celebrity has stepped up to be the anticircumcision poster boy or girl, although it has gained occasional national attention. Penn and Teller dedicated an episode of their Showtime series Bullshit to debunking circumcision myths. The lead singer of Blood, Sweat & Tears recorded a song about his botched circumcision. And Howard Stern frequently tells his radio listeners that he thinks the practice should be outlawed.

Even though Aronfeld is Jewish, he says he was swayed by the Baby Mario case. "There are a lot of compelling arguments to be made that circumcisions are not appropriate in this day and age. I'm open to that, and there is a lot of credibility to it."


On a Sunday afternoon in December, guests pass through two sets of heavy gates to reach the tony community of Williams Island, near Aventura. They park their Mercedes-Benzes and BMWs by a mailbox decorated with blue balloons. Inside the waterfront home, Michael Andron, dressed in a yarmulke and prayer shawl, prepares to perform a bris, also called a brit milah. He puts on surgical gloves and places an anesthetic spray on a table. He sets aside an empty chair, a nod to the prophet Elijah, who, because of his zeal in upholding the ritual of circumcision, is said to be present in angel form at every bris.

About 50 people stand in a living room, making chitchat and sipping drinks from the open bar. When he's ready, Andron leads a singing prayer in Hebrew. In a short processional, a baby boy, bundled in blankets and wearing a crocheted yarmulke, is carried into the room. He is passed to his seated grandfather and laid on a fluffy white pillow, to which he is then strapped with a soft leather belt. He sucks contentedly on his pacifier.

After a brief welcome, Andron gets down to business. He warns that the baby has many reasons to cry but says he'll be fine. "I'm worried about all of you." He instructs: "Talk quietly — and try to stay vertical." Guests oblige, and a hum of party chatter picks up. Some people turn their heads away. Some make nervous faces and grip their wineglasses tightly. At least three hold their iPads high in the air to film the action. Andron picks up his Mogen clamp and bends over the baby.

Andron's combination of religious gravitas and personal warmth makes him a highly in-demand mohel. He's also a karate master, an energy healer, and a theater director. "I've been called a Jewish renaissance man," he says. "The stuff I do is pretty odd."

Expectant families usually book him through his website. The bris must occur on the baby's eighth day, and due to the uncertainty of the birth date, Andron is almost always on call. Some weeks, he performs just a few procedures; other weeks, he'll do 20. "Considering how extreme this commandment is," he says, even barely observant Jews usually have a bris. Andron does not charge a fee; rather, families make a donation to him. He hates to talk about money but says that on average, he gets $500. Today, he's performed five of them, thus earning about $2,500. He never turns anyone away because of money.

Andron was raised Modern Orthodox in New York. Initially, his professional interests were in holistic healing, but while living in Philadelphia, he witnessed a bris by a talented mohel. "The surgery was elegant, fast, clean, professional, and artistic," he says. He apprenticed and learned to do it himself. There is no government licensing or regulation for mohels. Andron says he can do in a few seconds what it takes surgeons up to 20 minutes to do.

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frhodes85715
frhodes85715

Historically people who put their faith in the sacrificial punishment curse of circumcision on minors always end up in some type of sacrificial genocide, world war, ethnic cleancing, holocaust. This is karma, because cutting off prepuces before puberty is used as a subversive form of religious and racial hygiene/ethnic cleancing, because they know how to cut excessively on the sons of men they want to grow up and cause sexual dysfunctions to develop after puberty without the parents knowledge. Infant circumcision isa form of eugenics/genocide  

666
666

its funny seeing how stupid people get over stupid shit26,000 people die a day in Africa everyday, and rough villages are practicing female circumcision with busted pieces of glass and no anesthetic but everyone wants to bitch about how they think shits so rough here, and wants to bitch about how horrid male circumcision is blah blah blah, etcetc so on and so forth, of course im also sure that the people that are getting crazy on here are also the kind of people who believe that abortion is murder and murder is bad but its kool to blow up and abortion clinic or shoot a doctor who performs such procedures............

Guest
Guest

Great reporting here.

gp
gp

Child mutilators should be jailed NOW.

Chris
Chris

This monster thinks that circumcision is "no big deal."  I bet if somebody strapped her down, pulled down her pants, and assaulted her genitals with a razor blade she would think it was a HUGE DEAL!  It is so sick and disgusting that some people don't afford the same rights to others that they do for themselves.  From the perspective of this innocent helpless child, this lady might as well be Josef Mengele.  If you don't know who this is, please look him up.  This lady even admits that if she treated an animal the way she treats humans that she would go to jail, yet she continues to practice her crimes. 

novenator
novenator

Well, when you think about it, any type of genital mutilation is sort of barbaric.  For instance, which of these would pro-chopping advocates would say is too far?: (semi-NSFW) http://accmuk.com/images/fgm_t...

Shelly
Shelly

Swedish physicians just called for a ban on the circumcision of male children. Thanks for a country that finally puts ethics and human rights ahead of financial gain, religion or politics. Babies were designed to have foreskins; leave them be.

Mimi
Mimi

There is no evidence that infant circumcision hurts less or that babies won't remember it or that it is cheaper. In fact, studies have shown that infant circumcision is associated with higher risks and more complications and many more redos. If it is not OK to hit a baby or shake a baby or yell at a baby, then why is it ok to strap them down and cut off the most sensitive part of their body? Of course they will remember it! They just can't say in proper English that it hurts and they don't want it done. Circumcision is done on infants because it is easier to strap them down; older boys and adult males are much more likely to refuse it, and it was long believed that babies did not feel pain. History shows that the procedure started on older males and then moved to babies because it was easier to get them to comply. Multiple studies have shown that infants actually feel MORE pain because they don't have inhibitory pathways in place; they do not go to sleep-they become semicomatose as measured by serum cortisol levels.

Rodrigo Girão
Rodrigo Girão

>While many Christians also circumcise, passages in the New Testament suggest that it's not mandatory.

More than that: "if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. ... You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." (Galatians 5)

Bradley
Bradley

Whomever put the photo at the top is a sick fuck. If it were an article about female genital mutilation would we have a picture of a mutilated taco? Such sexism and misandry is rampant here. This doctor is a sicko and the author of the article is a sexist moron. 

Bradley
Bradley

This doctor is a quack. No doctor that performs unnecessary surgery on an unwilling patient, on their genitals no less, is worth of the title "doctor" and belongs in prison for life, or dead. 

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Why is it acceptable to mutilate a male infant's genitals but not a female infant's genitals ?

Veezie Lu
Veezie Lu

Here is something the author, the pro-circs, and everyone else seems to be missing. AAAALLLLLLLL of those HIV studies were done to adult males. Penile cancer and infections are most found in adult males.  All of the medical "necessary" reasons for adopting a circumcised penis, are found in adult males. At what point do we agree that cutting body parts at birth to protect risks incurred as an adult is absurd and immoral.

I have 3 intact children, and am having my 4th son, whom I also plan to leave intact. If THEY decide, when they are older (I would even let them decide before 18, 13-14 is ok with me) that they want this procedure done in the belief that it will protect them from HIV or cancer, I will drive them to the fucking doctor myself. If THEY decide they just want to look like their dads down there, I will drive them to the fucking doctor myself. If they choose to become Orthodox Jews, I will be the first one to Mazel Tov them at their Bris. But I am in no way going to make a life-altering body modification to my newborn sons!! And parents who do are taking away a child's right to humane medical treatment, and to what should be their god-given duty to advocacy.

The AAP should not have a right to make a statement about circumcision because it should not be done to babies. Even Jewish mohels the world over are changing what a circumcision is to leave children in their natural state, and doing a pin prick instead. It is not our right any more than giving rhinoplasty to a newborn so they look like their fathers. Or removing the mammary glands or uteri of newborn girls, because they may one day get cancer there.

Mimi
Mimi

Thanks for your article. Next time please quote some actual physicians who are opposed to circumcision. We know the medical literature much better than the supposed "expert" Diekema. They won't allow physicians opposed to circumcision on the task force. Diekema is the token non-Jew on the task force, but has never done real research on the topic. He is a strong parental rights advocate, and of course is circumcised. He should spend time doing some statistical analyses of circumcision research articles rather than going to dinner parties. Maybe he would then realize that half the men in the African RCT's became HIV positive without sexual contact. Read Simon Collery's blog on HIV in Kenya and David Gisselquist's blog "Don't Get Stuck".  Read the article: How the Circumcision Solution in Africa will increase HIV. It is a colossal waste of taxpayers money and a travesty of Tuskegee-style proportions for these mass circumcision campaigns to continue.

Chris_SLOB_BOY
Chris_SLOB_BOY

I was born with an "innie".

 I can coax it out with a hair dryer, but then its more like one of those last almonds in the tin that no one wants.

Keith Rutter
Keith Rutter

"The tip pops out like a bright, shiny red bulb. "A perfect little boiled peanut,"" Yes, and over the next few years the surface hardens into a less-responsive organ that should have remained protected.  But she doesn't care, as long as he doesn't die, she gets paid, and she doesn't see his damaged penis many years later.

" Salsbury joked in her office, explaining that circumcisions are no big deal."No big deal for her, of course. But she doesn't care, as long as he doesn't die, and she gets paid, and she doesn't see him suffer sexual problems many years later.

Does she also tell the gullible mother that the severed tissue is a valuable raw material, ready to be sold on like a worn-out automobile.  But the baby has lost something vastly more valuable, priceless even, a natural fully functioning penis, long before he has even discovered he has it, let alone get pleasure from it.  Does she even know the structure of what she is cutting off, how it contains thousands of nerve endings which should have added to his sexual experience, and that of his future partner.  Probably not, she will be just as ignorant as the mohelim of ancient Judea, and the likes of Drs Kellogg and Acton, who told parents it would 'cure' masturbation.

In the UK, very few men have had their foreskin, prepuce is its proper name, cut off, and the HIV rates are much lower than in the USA.  Intact men in middle age are much less likely to need to consult their doctor with sexual problems, as circumcised men age the penis often becomes numb to the point where orgasm is difficult or non-existent.  But do Dr Salsbury and her fellows know, or even care, as long as they get paid.

Ron Low
Ron Low

No baby cutter can know how much the skin or phallus would have grown if left alone.  Further, the cutter can't know whether the organ is puffed up from handling or shrivelled from the cold room, so there is no way to deliver a desired style of outcome even if someone were thoughtful enough to have one in mind.   Any tiny error is magnified as the victim grows, but most circumcision complications have nothing to do with surgical incompetence.  Healing in a fouled diaper under the care of lay people accounts for most of the bleeding and infection risk.   But the biggest side-effect occurs 100% of the time; loss of the exquisitely pleasure-receptive foreskin.  Drop the knife and back away from the baby.  HIS body, HIS decision. 

Troy
Troy

If Dr. Salsbury is only doing five circumcisions a month, that is not enough to be a proficient practitioner of circumcision. If you are going to circumcise boys, you cannot simply do it as a part-time job - you need to be doing it every day. This is why the best practitioners to circumcise boys are mohels (or doctors) who do them daily. Mohels circumcise thousands of boys over the course of a career and they are chosen not just by Jews but by non-Jews, British Royalty and celebrities because they have the most expertise. This is why Sandra Bullock, had her boy circumcised by a mohel. I would not choose someone who does so few circumcisions a month as the best person to have my boys circumcised. I would choose someone who does them daily.

Chris Maurer
Chris Maurer

I wonder what sales pitch was used on Emilio's mother to persuade her to have her son permanently cut and maimed. Shame on doctors who amputate body parts of defenseless infants for fun and profit.

ml66uk
ml66uk

Worth checking out:

Canadian Paediatric Societyhttp://www.cps.ca/english/stat..."Recommendation: Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed."

http://www.caringforkids.cps.c..."Circumcision is a 'non-therapeutic' procedure, which means it is not medically necessary.""After reviewing the scientific evidence for and against circumcision, the CPS does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn boys. Many paediatricians no longer perform circumcisions."

Royal Australasian College of Physicianshttp://www.racp.edu.au/index.c..."In the absence of evidence of risk of substantial harm, informed parental choice should be respected. Informed parental consent should include the possibility that the ethical principle of autonomy may be better fulfilled by deferring the circumcision to adolescence with the young man consenting on his own behalf."(almost all the men responsible for this statement will be circumcised themselves, as the male circumcision rate in Australia in 1950 was about 90%. "Routine" circumcision is now *banned* in public hospitals in Australia.)

British Medical Associationhttp://www.bma.org.uk/ethics/c..."to circumcise for therapeutic reasons where medical research has shown other techniques to be at least as effective and less invasive would be unethical and inappropriate."

The Royal Dutch Medical Associationhttp://knmg.artsennet.nl/Diens..."The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of children's rights to autonomy and physical integrity. Contrary to popular belief, circumcision can cause complications - bleeding, infection, urethral stricture and panic attacks are particularly common. KNMG is therefore urging a strong policy of deterrence. KNMG is calling upon doctors to actively and insistently inform parents who are considering the procedure of the absence of medical benefits and the danger of complications."

It's not like it can't wait - the USA and Israel are the only two countries in the world where more than half of baby boys are circumcised.

Drops in male circumcision since 1950:USA: from 90% to 55%Canada: from 48% to 17%UK: from 35% to about 5% (about 1-2% among non-Muslims)Australia: 90% to 12.4% ("routine" circumcision has recently been *banned* in public hospitals in all states)New Zealand: 95% to below 3% (mostly Samoans and Tongans)South America and Europe: never above 5%

It's worth remembering that no-one except for Muslim and Jewish people would even be having this discussion if it weren't for the fact that 19th century doctors thought that :a) masturbation caused various physical and mental problems (including epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, tuberculosis etc), andb) circumcision stopped masturbation.

Both of those sound ridiculous today I know, but that's how they thought back then, and that's how non-religious circumcision got started. If you don't believe me, then check out this link: http://www.noharmm.org/docswor...

Heck, they even passed laws against "self-pollution" as it was called.

Finestrata
Finestrata

Ms. Funcheon has written a fine article  on a very sensitive subject. I do take offence, however, with the choice of illustration. A glass full of cut hot dogs is a very clear indicator of how insensitive the American attitude is toward the subject of male infant circumcision. If this were an article about female circumcision would it be illustrated with a plate of filleted fish? Denial is powerful, it allows us to jokingly ignore an atrocity, even when we are the victims of that atrocity. Male infant circumcision is not a joke. Otherwise healthy babies die and/or are maimed every year because of circumcision and the irony is, that it is completely unnecessary surgery.  Would a doctor remove a healthy appendix form a baby at the parents request? No because that would be unethical.  Even little male babies deserve to have their human rights respected. Circumcision is a fashion statement that lasts a life time. 

Erika
Erika

So this doctor knows circumcision is wrong, yet she still does them? Disgusting.

Rebecca Fine
Rebecca Fine

Most American Christians circumcise.  In any event, circumcision is probably not medically necessary.  If parents do want to have their boys circumcised though, the 30-second Mogen technique used by mohels (which appears to have been done by the doctor above) is usually the fastest and least painful way.  If it's going to be done, it's best to have someone with experience and training doing it, and mohels do thousands of them.

Annie
Annie

Lots of this nauseated me (descriptions of the amputation surgery), but this part made me catch my breath: after the Bris, when the mohel holds the baby up who has already fallen asleep? What sort of denial state do we live in when we can possibly believe a baby will SLEEP after this? Clearly the baby was in shock and passed out as a coping mechanism. Seriously, if you have ever tried to get a baby to fall asleep, extreme shocking pain is NOT going to get them to peacefully drift off. Shaking my head here. This torture needs to end, period.

Pat
Pat

Here's a correction to the article -  most Christians DO NOT circumcise, with the possible exceptions of one or two sects in the middle east and those in the USA ignorant of what their own religion teaches. The New Testament doesn't just suggest that circumcision is not mandatory, but rather states unambiguously, in several of its books, that being circumcised does not have any meaning toward the faith.

Karen Goldis
Karen Goldis

Lots of information here. What circumcision comes down to is the amputation of erogenous tissue from a vulnerable person unable to consent. This is as evil as evil can get. Hiding this under the disguise of medicine and religion is a unique injustice plagued on newborn boys. That physicians have the conscious to harm newborns violates every principle of medical ethics. There is zero justification for circumcision. It is a barbaric blood ritual that predates Judaism and does not belong anywhere in modern medicine or modern religion.   Karen Goldis, Tampa Bay Area Intactivists

rickyB
rickyB

"Trimming a bit off the top" is but another trivialization of a very serious matter. As one who suffered a botched circumcision decades ago and survived excruciating hours of NOT anesthetized surgical repairs, living life with hellish pain at the points of mangling, having it covered up and my parents persuaded it was all in my mind, I can tell you it is not trivial. CH6/CBS in Richmond, VA recently reported news that indicates the current rate of botches serious enough to require corrective surgery is AT LEAST 15%, meaning AT LEAST 150,000 boys in the US are subjected to what I experienced or worse, every year. Even if all goes well, a boy, and the man he becomes, loses tens of thousands of nerve endings for sexual sensing (they are actually in the foreskin, not in the glans as current popular wisdom has it) (earliest rationales for circumcision in US were to reduce sexual pleasure, believed to be dangerous to mental health, so it's likely they sensed the preputial truth at that time). See Cold (Wisconsin, USA) and Taylor (Manitoba, Canada), "The Prepuce" in British Journal of Urology Vol 83, Suppl. 1: Pp 34-44, Jan 1999. Do health, medical benefits offset such horrible costs? European nations and Japan have virtually no circumcision and much better male genital health (including much lower rates of STDs and HIV/AIDS) than the largely circumcised USA. So why do we keep on doing it? Well, who profits from doing it?

finestrata
finestrata

There are many wrongs in this world. I happen to believe that male infant circumcision is one of them. No one has the right to permanently alter the body of another human being without consent. This is an issue who's time has come. It can't be swept aside or denied any longer. Circumcision is a human rights violation and a huge money making operation in America. The medical establishment needs to start upholding its code of ethics. We need to see circumcision for what it really is; male genital mutilation. We have to face up to the fact that we had been duped, and continue to be duped, into believing that circumcision has benefits. 85% of the men on earth are intact and I'll be willing to bet they wouldn't have it any other way. Male infant circumcision is wrong.   

Nobody
Nobody

You live in a dream world.

matchrestore
matchrestore

Don't attack the author, please.  She's presenting a fair article on the topic, and is doing investigative reporting rather than just regurgitating press releases.  The art is inappropriate, yes, but from what I understand that wasn't her call.  Do yourself a favor and read all of the articles Deirdra has written on the subject in the past week before you jump to conclusions.

Rodrigo Girão
Rodrigo Girão

Basically: to admit it is harmful would require men to face the fact that they were harmed, or that they allowed their children to be harmed. Also, someone always pulls the damn anti-semitism card.

Deirdra Funcheon
Deirdra Funcheon

 Yes -- the AIDS studies were done to adults, and there is a distinction between adult and neonatal circumcision. To connect the dots: I included it in my story because we are seeing this research being cited as justification for circumcising babies.

The argument goes like this: "Studies show that circumcision reduces your chance of getting STDs" "But babies aren't sexually active!" "But you should do it at birth because it hurts less /they won't remember it / it's cheaper then"

Not saying it's right, but that is how the "logic" goes.

Also: in Africa, the focus now is on adult males (because they will be sexually active sooner) but the long-term plan involves circumcising African boys at birth also. That's the direction this is going. See

http://www.timeslive.co.za/spe...

http://sciencespeaksblog.org/2...

http://www.aids.harvard.edu/ne...

Craig
Craig

Mimi, what do you mean when you say Dr. Diekema is the 'token non-Jew' on the task force? Are you implying that the committee is all controlled by Jews?  Let's try to leave people's ethnic background out of this issue.  And how dod you know whether he is circumcised?  Have you asked him?  Anyway, the issue here is whether the AAP comes out in favor of a stronger medical recommendation for having boys circumcised.  Until they do, we don't know what direction the medical policy is going in.  If they decide to more strong support circumcision for boys, then parents such as myself will take that into consideration.  If they don't change the policy then I guess there won't be much to talk about.

Hugh x
Hugh x

 "Buried penis" as it's called may be natural, if a baby is overweight, or it may be a complication of circumcision.

Mimi
Mimi

As Voltaire said, "Familiarity accommodates any barbarity."

Hollys1911
Hollys1911

To what do we owe such a superior recap of this article? Any other superior illuminations? What are you even saying?

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

Um, "most American Christians circumcise" is very misleading. According to the bible, Christians are not supposed to circumcise, unless they plan on following all 613 mitzvot.

The way most American Christians rationalize male infant circumcision is because of the so-called "benefits." The minute an American Christian tries to say that they are "circumcising because it's a Christian thing to do," they are committing blasphemy, as one of the biggest points of contentions for Christians WAS circumcision. A CHRISTIAN is supposed to be saved by the blood and grace of CHRIST, hence the name CHRISTIAN.

But even circumcising for "benefits" is anti-Christian, as the bible is against putting your child through the fire, and against the cutting of the body, especially the genitals. (Deuteronomy and Leviticus)

Do mine eyes deceive me? Are you seriously promoting the "mogen technique," where the Mogen company was put out of business because it couldn't pay off all the lawsuits accrued for glans amputations?

"30-second mogen technique" sounds like a catch-phrase I've heard of somewhere. Are you working as a promoter for Neil Pollock or something?

Would female circumcision be justified if it were done with some special device and it "only took 30 seconds?"

Is a human rights violation justified the less time it takes? Really?

Remember, that this so-called "thirty second procedure" will affect the child for the rest of his life. He will be deprived of normal, healthy organs for the rest of his life.

maggellan77
maggellan77

Most American Christians do circumcise, it appears, but there is a problem with that. They have now made sure that their sons are not Christians. For these sons, they must keep the whole of the Jewish Law that they may go to heaven. That means all those brutal laws, such as stoning gay men to death, stoning rape victims (that's the ones that you don't sell to their rapists), stoning unruly children to death, etc.

When you say "30-second Mogen technique", that suggests that circumcision takes 30 seconds. this misses out the time for anaesthetic (if any is actually used) and the time to rip the foreskin from the glans (if you need an example for that, the clitoral prepuce is attached to the glans in the same way when a girl is young. Imagine someone ripping your clitoral hood from your glans).Oh and that would be the Mogen that has seen penile-glans amputations and multiple, multi-million dollar, law suits.

Hugh x
Hugh x

 If she does, it's a pity more don't. Every word she says makes sense.

Ian Brett Cooper
Ian Brett Cooper

 The author is hardly presenting a 'fair' article on the subject. The article is laced with pro-circ subtext and innuendo. This sort of article is disgusting! 'Not her call'? Are all the sneering anti-intactivist jibes 'not her call' too? Is she an author or merely a mouthpiece. If she's being forced to write this garbage, she should quit and find a more ethical place to write.

Mimi
Mimi

You got that right! I think the Jews protesteth too much.

Mimi
Mimi

There is no evidence that infant circumcision hurts less or that babies won't remember it or that it is cheaper. In fact, studies have shown that infant circumcision is associated with higher risks and more complications and many more redos. If it is not OK to hit a baby or shake a baby or yell at a baby, then why is it ok to strap them down and cut off the most sensitive part of their body? Of course they will remember it! They just can't say in proper English that it hurts and they don't want it done. Circumcision is done on infants because it is easier to strap them down; older boys and adult males are much more likely to refuse it, and it was long believed that babies did not feel pain. History shows that the procedure started on older males and then moved to babies because it was easier to  get them to comply. Multiple studies have shown that infants actually feel MORE pain because they don't have inhibitory pathways in place; they do not go to sleep-they become semicomatose as measured by serum cortisol levels.

Mimi
Mimi

Also, a Canadian study showed that the circumcision status of the physician and the status of their children made a difference as to whether the physicians were biased in favor of circumcision or not. Those circumcised promoted circumcision and vice versa. Circumcision status of the committee members and their family needs to be taken into consideration and adjusted for. That is not happening with the current task force.

Mimi
Mimi

Take a look at the composition of the task force and then tell me ethnic background is not important. That is the elephant in the room that people don't want to talk about. It is a huge factor in this issue. Look at the editors of medical journals, newspapers, and those in charge of medical organizations. Look at what happened in California in response to the San Francisco initiative to make infant circumcision illegal and those behind stopping the initiative. You may think ethnic background is not an issue, but I can assure you it is a huge component of why circumcision is being promoted as "medically necessary". In Colorado, it is a Jewish legislator whose husband is a rabbi that is pushing through a bill to have infant circumcision covered by Medicaid. Diekema is always the person from the committee that talks publicly though I am told he is not the head of the committee-apparently a Jewish woman is head. Why doesn't she handle the public discourse? Because it might appear that she is biased? Circumcision status of the members of the task force and/or their spouses/children is equally important and should be publicly disclosed. They have a bias, as most people do; that bias needs to be disclosed. An equal number of intact males or women with intact children/spouses should be represented on the committee. Physicians opposed to circumcision should also be on the committee. Prove to me that I am wrong because I know who is on the committee and based on their ethnic/religious background and their publications/policies in the past, they are pro-circumcision. Read and listen to what Diekema says and tell me he knows anything about the value of the foreskin or intact penis. This is not a man who owns a foreskin. My intact sons have more knowledge about the value, sensitivity and function of the intact penis than he does. I challenge him to publicly disclose his status, but based on his age and other factors, he is very likely to be circumcised.

drz130
drz130

The stupidity of some responses just amaze me.  You are apparently mistaking Judaism with Islam.  First of all, rape victims are protected under Jewish law, it's Islam where they are jailed or killed.  As for stoning unruly children, that's absurd.  Have you heard of or seen a story of a gay man being stoned or hanged by anyone other than in a Muslim country in modern times?  Of course not you idiot.

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

You know you've won when the other side starts name calling.

You must think your readers are actually that stupid and ignorant. You have some nerve calling others stupid idiots.

Is it, or is it not written in your precious book that gays are an abomination to "g-d," and that adulteresses and fornicators are to be stoned to death? Maybe I'm missing something.

And, for the record, rape victims are also protected under Islamic law, it's just that different "leaders" defined "rape" in a way that they see fit, much the same way as Jews don't want to acknowledge that circumcision is genital mutilation.

For example, "rape" in some Islamic countries is only recognized if there are four male witnesses. Three male witnesses gang raping a woman? A-OK!

Genital mutilation is *usually* when you take a knife and forcibly cut into, or sever part of a healthy person's genitals. Deuteronomy and Leviticus tell us that we shouldn't make cuts in our flesh or cut off our genitals.

Rabbis cutting off part of the penis and sucking blood from it? A-OK!

What I find stupid is how religious kooks seriously think they're fooling others.

Sorry bud, you're not.

 
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