Today I visited Delray Shooting Center and was refused of service because I had ammo that bought yearly on the gun show. The propriator told me that "he does not like my attitude" and basically kicked me out, refusing to rent me protective equipment and shootong line. And was using this range at least 15 times before and brought in two my friends as a new Customers. What is that - new trend in service? Is it now illegal to buy and use ammo bought in some other places? Was he in his rights to treat me like that?
I will never go there again but I have never met such an arrogance before. I thought I am back to Russia.

damn commi your attitude does not fly in the US of motherfucking a . polish your act and play buy the rules. I would have kicked your russian ass.

All the shooting ranges in Palm Beach County will no longer allow you to use your previously bought ammo. Tey say it's because of an insurance liability. Hower, they won't allow you to use your previously bought targets either.....

They are getting greedy, which is why PBC needs an outdoor shooting range like Broward County

The people and owner are very nice. No problems. If anyone has a problem, there is usually a good reason. The reason is that they are probably assholes. I shoot there 2 times a week. For those who complain, you probably shouldn't have a firearm in your possession.

THE DELRAY GUN SHOP SUCKS, AND DOOGIE, YOUR A SELF HATING CLOSET FANOOK ! AND IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE YOUR FROM, THE PEOPLE AT THE RANGE ARE ASSHOLES, A BIG THUMBS DOWN, F- EM! i just want a cool place to shoot, no big attitude, they work at a range, one step up from a securty guard but the same mentality.

As the owner of the Delray Shooting Center, I would like to explain our position on the "Ammo Policy". First & foremost, we certinaly do allow you to return with ammo & targets previously purchased from us, this has never been a problem. Secondly the problem with us allowing "outside ammo" from being used on the range is simple. Lets say for a minute you are shooting your gun on lane 12, the person on lane 11 has a bunch of ammo that he just made at home on the new reloading press he got from his uncle for a birthday gift. The guy on lane 11 hasn't got a clue what he is doing , he loads his gun with his homemade ammo, he aims, fires & BOOM, his gun has become a grenade, part of the cylinder is now sticking out of your eye. Whos insurance company is stepping up to the plate ????????
Ours does not want to.

Maybe that explains why you don't allow ammo brought in "from the outside", but please explain your policy of not allowing targets from the outside either. Are they a liability risk as well? I also don't understand why you won't allow FACTORY ammo from the outside, but sell your own "reloaded" ammo for use, marked up to a price that rivals quality factory ammo. I used to be a frequent user of your range, but have gone elsewhere to ranges that are a lot more customer friendly.

We don't sell reloaded ammoany longer & haven't for over 5 years. As for outside factory ammo, our position is the same as with reloads. Just because the "factory" manufactured it does not mean in is free from defects. If ammo purchased at Wallmart blows up a gun & one of our customers gets hurt why should we bare the brunt of the fallout? Secondly, ammo leaves behind a hazmat material. Should we bare the expense of disposing your lead as well? If this were a steakhouse, would you bring you meat from Publix beause it is less expensive and ask us to prepare it for you? Guns & ammo is what we do, that is it. No ladies footware, no appliances, no bicycles or camping equipment, no food, stationary, or diapers. If you don't feel as though we need your support, thats fine. When we close our doors thats one less place to shoot. Who knows maybe Wallmart will put in a range!!!

"Should we bare the expense of disposing your lead as well?" Interesting statement. I was under the impression that your facility charged shooters a 'range fee' that paid for range maintainence, materials, disposal of spent lead, etc. So, are you implying that you now let people shoot for free? Also, I don't know where you go out to eat (I don't care, either), but I don't recall having to pay a fee (like a range fee) in order to be allowed to eat. You also never addressed why your facility won't allow individuals to bring in thier own targets.

Dear EJM, it seems as though any explanation regarding our policies will be disected, re directed & turned inside out . I can't sit here and respond to each & every coment and concern.
When you have punched your time card (I'd bet the farm that you are a 9-5 er) please contact us so that we may arrange a meeting with our accountant, landlord, banker, Insurance man, the tax man ( both state & federal), the EPA, OSHA, workmans comp, and the rest of our partners, so that we may explain to you waht it takes to run a specialty shop such as this one. We promise we'll go slow. Almost forgot, the target explanation..... Targets for the record start at .25 cents each, over the years we have had people bring in bowling balls, soda bottles, blue jeans, back packs, books, pictures of their ex's, exploding targets, & countless items I can't recall. These items when shot at cause ricochets that can come back at the shooter & cause serious injury, in order to offset this problem we had no other choice than to implement this policy. We hope you found this explanation satisfactory.

I\'ll have to get back to you as to where I want the farm delivered. I\'m a firefighter/paramedic, so you could actually say that I am a 0730-0730\'er. I can actually understand banning things like bowling balls, blue jeans (?), etc. etc., it is the banning of regular paper targets that I don\'t understand. BTW, you can explain things as slow or as fast as you would like; I seriously doubt that I will have problems keeping up.......

EXACTLY MY POINT, only someone who is not in Biz would have such a hard time understanding the things you are confused about. The range portion of this establishment takes up 80 % of the usuable space, yet it only generates 50 % of the overall income, that leave the retail area responsible for the remainder of the overhead. We would love to be everyones best friend and not charge any fee for the use of the range, unfortunatly we cant find cheep space to suit our needs in a comercial environment. As e are sure you know, the price of real estate taxes & insurance has gone through the roof in this area when our landlord gets the bill he passes it on right to his tennants. The price of rent in this area has basicly become unafordable this is the reason why you don't see indoor ranges popping up all over the place, to much square footage is needed !!!!!

I agree with you, paying rent sucks. Would there be downsides to moving out to a facility that you own outright? I would think that a better, easier to find location would also have to increase business. Like I said before, I used to be a frequent user of your establishment. It has always had a good selection at reasonable prices, in a clean environment. It is just your range policies that I have a beef about. It has made shooting a lot more expensive and complicated for me. I think that we can both agree that shooting should be something that is fun and enjoyable, rather than a hassle, otherwise why bother? I have come to understand your viewpoint a little better, but I also hope that you understand where I come from as well. I do thank you for responding to my gripes, instead of ignoring them as you could have done.

Dear ejm,
my email address is m36995@aol.com, I would love to continue this conversation however I don't think we need to hang this out in cyberspace for all to see, besides theres no spell check.
mike

Go to American indoor or Markham Park, Delray Shooting Centers policy is of not allowing outside factory ammo is nothing more than geed. They are the only range I have seen at that refuses to let a shooter use factory ammo. I could possibly see the a problem with reloads. But after reloading & shooting for over thirty years I have never seen a firearm fail using factory ammo. Greed will put them out of business soon.

Wow it seems like there are some pretty strong opinions out there regarding bringing in your own ammo to a shooting range. With gunsmithing being the family business I hear it from both sides. I have found that the ranges that allowed you to bring in your own ammo and targets are now out of business. Not only did I not mind buying my ammo and targets at the ranges but I also found it pretty convenient. I also found most of the ranges that changed their policy to range ammo only did price their ammo more reasonably. I would rather pay slightly more for a box of ammo at a range to help it stay in business than to try and save a few bucks by burning gas to go to a gun show, paying admission to get in and buying ammo that someone claims to be what\\\'s on the box, not worth it to me. The days of cheap shooting are gone. If you don\\\'t have a lot of money shoot a .22 Now the ranges could raise their range fees to cover overhead and let you bring your own ammo and targets bu then the people that don\\\'t shoot a lot will have to pay the price for the people that do shoot a lot and help wear out the range equipment. The best way is to have everyone buy targets and ammo at the range so those that shoot more and help wear out the range equipment can help pay for it. Honestly isn\\\'t it worth a few extra bucks each time you go shooting to help support your local range and keep them in business so you can have fun? I have a hard time calling them greedy on this issue and even the greediest range owners aren\\\'t driving Bentley\\\'s to their mansions in Palm Beach so they can\\\'t be making that much money off of us. Equally the mark up in new firearms is substantially less than it used to be so the gun range owners have to make money some where don\\\'t they? How many of us buy our guns over the internet now instead of buying them from the local gun range/shop and then there is this demand for cheaper shooting, and people wonder why they get an attitude from a range owner when they want to shoot ammo from somewhere else? I have experienced both cranky, cocky and rude Range owners/managers as I have seen the same in customers. Funny thing about the firearm business there is no shortage of opinions and attitudes, good news is we all have a right to our own no matter how off base we are. Every calm down and go have some fun.

Dear Jeff,
Thanks for explaining that. I was beginning to loose hope in my fellow man. Was it possible that no one knew what it took to be in a retail biz ?

hmmm... guns kill people, bang bang, best way to win an argument! or, just quit making bullets, eventually no one can play soldier anymore!! LOL

Jay,

Maybe it's my limited education but I just don't get your post? What am I missing here?

Jeff, You're missing the point probably, like you said, because of your limited education.

Well please explain it to me in simple terms then if you don’t mind.

Delray shooting center is pretty much a lame place, not the honest type who are trying to make a buck or two. But you can't blame this, becase they are the only show in town tring to survive.

haha you are all a bunch of winey bitches!