Revere gun range is the best over all gun range in south Florida and everytime I'm in Broward County I make it a point to stop in for a couple of hours. All the staff are very friendly and able to answer any questions you may have on firearms.
Best Shooting Range Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach 2007 - E.W. Revere Gunshop and Range
on the topic of bringing your own ammo, what about those of us that carry concealed and want to be reassured our carry ammo still shoots ok? how do I do this when they don't allow outside ammo?
AGK- if we don't complain they'll being coming fro YOUR firearm. It's people who settle for the BS staus quo who get screwed. WE got to straighten this out or the anti gunners will say, look the gunners argue amongst themselves and are pissed at each other. If they can't agree and be a solid unit, maybe they don't need theire guns either.Guarantee you that. Ar gue that with the NRA,Mike
The time is quickly approaching where the issue of plain working class mostly blue collar, who can barely afford their mortgage, lights , healthcare food (ETC), let alone the outrageous and unreasonable price for a regular guy to go out and shoot a few rounds, without breaking the bank, or decrease the frequency he/she goes to just about nil. Should we have to make a decision between our bills, paying for our children's school supplies, food, water, medicine, and all our utilities versus, being able to afford blowing off a little steam at our local gun range/store? Has it come to this pitiful situation? Is there no middle ground where both sides can GIVE A LITTLE? I was in a profitable business for 30 years, and never had to make price gouging part of my business practices as I decided on making a FAIR profit, and therefore as a result getting more sales volume, which more then made up for it. Is it wise in my opinion, to make friends of my customers, not adversaries, with hostility to each other, by simply making a FAIR profit, a friend and a customer for life? It worked out well. How much is enough? At what gross or net profit is enough? Can we make 30- 40% plus the other charges that we call for and not make a decent living? Sure we can. Instead of approaching the individual, by selling him a gun for 50 % or more gross profit and a box of ammo for a 35% G.P. instead of 60 or 70% gross profit, can we not put food on the table for our kids. You cannot take one man and pillage him with the highest prices on guns, ammo and accessories, believing that if you made an outrageous amount on one single customer, that was a good day. Everything in moderation is how it's done. Instead you take 10 customers and not rape and pillage them, but instead charge those fair, but profitable dollars to pay your lights. I'd rather sell ten customers fairly then rip 1 customer off above and beyond. Does this not make sense? Your store is located in these people's back yards or close, and you are for all intents and purposes one of their merchants, BUT you are also a PART of their neighborhood. Is it not possible to treat then fairly, and be proud of how you did? Less individual profit and more profit dollars based on more customers!!!!!! It is the model for some of the most profitable businesses in this country, small or large businesses. Yes I know about your insurance, and your other expenses (I agree, no small thing!), but it still cannot excuse what you do to these people who in the end are the ones who support you. I fear that if this eventually is not done, then you will continuously have more customers like myself who are leaving Palm Beach County gun ranges/stores, and venturing to Broward, Dade, or even Martin and north to shoot a fair priced day, that doesn't break them and allows them to come more often. These same people are now buying their guns elsewhere too. Why should they pay above Manufacturer suggested retail price? It should instead be discounted off of MSRP. Don't you want them to come more often. Would that not be another way of increasing your bottom line? It cannot remain a hostile situation much longer, because the owners will see as they have already substantially less customers, and much less dollars coming in. As a direct result, you will not be able to improve your store or range for lack of capitol to do so. The outcome to that will be you loosing almost your entire customer base which will close your doors permanently. THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN, IF ONE MAKES THE EFFORT, AND SLOWLY THE NEXT ONE FOLLOWS SUIT, UNTIL YOU HAVE OLD TIME GUN Stores, WHERE THE CUSTOMERS ARE PROUD TO TELL YOU WHO THEIR GUN STORE IS AND THE OWNERS AS PROUD AS TO TELL YOU WHAT A HAPPY CUSTOMER BASE YOU HAVE." WHO SAID THAT OLD SAYING, "DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU"? I REALIZE THIS IS A GUN STORE, AND NOT HEARTS AND FLOWERS, but there is a time for everything, and with this country, so financially unstable how can we expect to afford the LUXORY of shooting and enjoying our constitutional rights, which will be taken away from us if we are not an impenetrable mass, or army of shooters who say what the late Charlton Heston, (the man who played Moses), says. "From my cold dead hands" (meaning you have to pry the gun when I am dead from my hands. I know you all know this but it's so important that it bears repeating. Skip
A few salient points to share. To those who have had the experience I had today, which was going into a well known establishment store/range and being told they hardly have any 9 MM ammo in stock and then directing me to their EXTENSIVE line of VERY expensive Self defense rounds 20/box for $35.00. I pay $18.89 for the EXACT same box. Does anyone honestly believe that that this is a FEW extra bucks?? Greed is the bottom line here. When you have a captive audience who can choice to BYOUA VS. a store that charges $15.00 per hour on the range if you have your own ammo, is this not blatant greed. Even including freight charges , handling charges and tax if in FL.,there is no way that that box of ammo could ever possibly arrive to you for a few extra bucks, it would be substantially more. The law may be sketchy on this but if any insudtry were to band together to PRICE FIX ammo or cost to shoot per hour, you of course do realize that the Federal Trade Commision would step in with indictments of price fixing and holding the end users captive, as they have no choice which is reasonabable. The cost of ammo on ranges that insist on forcing you to buy it from them is certainly prohibitive against the cost a FREE market selling the same ammo on line or wherever. This country was founded on it, (IT's called Capitalism) this principle of competition and free trade. If Palm Beach County is allowing this or encouraging it, they may well be participating in an unfair practice according to believers in free enterprise. . It is constitutional in it's scope, that we enjoy the rights of FREE trade as the right to bear arms. If not for the greed of some these stores/ranges, THEY COULD COMPETE with the rest of the sellors of ammo. I am not saying that they couldn't make a fair argument to state that if we the buyers, bought off the internet or other stores, we pay for shipping, etc. Fine, so let them add in the cost of the shipping leveling the playing field. It would certainly not double the cost of the ammo. I'd love to buy fair priced, variety based ammo from my range /store, but that is not what they want. Those "who live by the sword will die by the sword", is an old addage often quoted and a sage remark. This small group of sellors who have ranges cannot hope to have this ability infinitum. Also don't we have enough trouble with the law makers who would be happy to take all weapons away from citizens. So the INFIGHTING amongst the very industry that they would wipe out only softens our position on gun control in general. We all must band together abd solve this amongst ourselves if we intend to enjoy the right of the Constitution's second ammendment. The anti gun people would love to publicize that there is a problem within gun owners, and if they can't agree, how can we take them seriously. Please wise up and see the forest from the trees before we have injured ourselves beyond be able to be saved.We are on thin ice with this argument between byers and sellers, and it could very well be used against us. We must stand together or we shall fall together. Sincerely, busy
Delray shooting center is pretty much a lame place, not the honest type who are trying to make a buck or two. But you can't blame this, becase they are the only show in town tring to survive.
hmmm... guns kill people, bang bang, best way to win an argument! or, just quit making bullets, eventually no one can play soldier anymore!! LOL
Dear Jeff,Thanks for explaining that. I was beginning to loose hope in my fellow man. Was it possible that no one knew what it took to be in a retail biz ?
Wow it seems like there are some pretty strong opinions out there regarding bringing in your own ammo to a shooting range. With gunsmithing being the family business I hear it from both sides. I have found that the ranges that allowed you to bring in your own ammo and targets are now out of business. Not only did I not mind buying my ammo and targets at the ranges but I also found it pretty convenient. I also found most of the ranges that changed their policy to range ammo only did price their ammo more reasonably. I would rather pay slightly more for a box of ammo at a range to help it stay in business than to try and save a few bucks by burning gas to go to a gun show, paying admission to get in and buying ammo that someone claims to be what\\\'s on the box, not worth it to me. The days of cheap shooting are gone. If you don\\\'t have a lot of money shoot a .22 Now the ranges could raise their range fees to cover overhead and let you bring your own ammo and targets bu then the people that don\\\'t shoot a lot will have to pay the price for the people that do shoot a lot and help wear out the range equipment. The best way is to have everyone buy targets and ammo at the range so those that shoot more and help wear out the range equipment can help pay for it. Honestly isn\\\'t it worth a few extra bucks each time you go shooting to help support your local range and keep them in business so you can have fun? I have a hard time calling them greedy on this issue and even the greediest range owners aren\\\'t driving Bentley\\\'s to their mansions in Palm Beach so they can\\\'t be making that much money off of us. Equally the mark up in new firearms is substantially less than it used to be so the gun range owners have to make money some where don\\\'t they? How many of us buy our guns over the internet now instead of buying them from the local gun range/shop and then there is this demand for cheaper shooting, and people wonder why they get an attitude from a range owner when they want to shoot ammo from somewhere else? I have experienced both cranky, cocky and rude Range owners/managers as I have seen the same in customers. Funny thing about the firearm business there is no shortage of opinions and attitudes, good news is we all have a right to our own no matter how off base we are. Every calm down and go have some fun.
Go to American indoor or Markham Park, Delray Shooting Centers policy is of not allowing outside factory ammo is nothing more than geed. They are the only range I have seen at that refuses to let a shooter use factory ammo. I could possibly see the a problem with reloads. But after reloading & shooting for over thirty years I have never seen a firearm fail using factory ammo. Greed will put them out of business soon.
Dear ejm,my email address is email@example.com, I would love to continue this conversation however I don't think we need to hang this out in cyberspace for all to see, besides theres no spell check.mike
I agree with you, paying rent sucks. Would there be downsides to moving out to a facility that you own outright? I would think that a better, easier to find location would also have to increase business. Like I said before, I used to be a frequent user of your establishment. It has always had a good selection at reasonable prices, in a clean environment. It is just your range policies that I have a beef about. It has made shooting a lot more expensive and complicated for me. I think that we can both agree that shooting should be something that is fun and enjoyable, rather than a hassle, otherwise why bother? I have come to understand your viewpoint a little better, but I also hope that you understand where I come from as well. I do thank you for responding to my gripes, instead of ignoring them as you could have done.
EXACTLY MY POINT, only someone who is not in Biz would have such a hard time understanding the things you are confused about. The range portion of this establishment takes up 80 % of the usuable space, yet it only generates 50 % of the overall income, that leave the retail area responsible for the remainder of the overhead. We would love to be everyones best friend and not charge any fee for the use of the range, unfortunatly we cant find cheep space to suit our needs in a comercial environment. As e are sure you know, the price of real estate taxes & insurance has gone through the roof in this area when our landlord gets the bill he passes it on right to his tennants. The price of rent in this area has basicly become unafordable this is the reason why you don't see indoor ranges popping up all over the place, to much square footage is needed !!!!!
I\'ll have to get back to you as to where I want the farm delivered. I\'m a firefighter/paramedic, so you could actually say that I am a 0730-0730\'er. I can actually understand banning things like bowling balls, blue jeans (?), etc. etc., it is the banning of regular paper targets that I don\'t understand. BTW, you can explain things as slow or as fast as you would like; I seriously doubt that I will have problems keeping up.......
Dear EJM, it seems as though any explanation regarding our policies will be disected, re directed & turned inside out . I can't sit here and respond to each & every coment and concern.When you have punched your time card (I'd bet the farm that you are a 9-5 er) please contact us so that we may arrange a meeting with our accountant, landlord, banker, Insurance man, the tax man ( both state & federal), the EPA, OSHA, workmans comp, and the rest of our partners, so that we may explain to you waht it takes to run a specialty shop such as this one. We promise we'll go slow. Almost forgot, the target explanation..... Targets for the record start at .25 cents each, over the years we have had people bring in bowling balls, soda bottles, blue jeans, back packs, books, pictures of their ex's, exploding targets, & countless items I can't recall. These items when shot at cause ricochets that can come back at the shooter & cause serious injury, in order to offset this problem we had no other choice than to implement this policy. We hope you found this explanation satisfactory.
"Should we bare the expense of disposing your lead as well?" Interesting statement. I was under the impression that your facility charged shooters a 'range fee' that paid for range maintainence, materials, disposal of spent lead, etc. So, are you implying that you now let people shoot for free? Also, I don't know where you go out to eat (I don't care, either), but I don't recall having to pay a fee (like a range fee) in order to be allowed to eat. You also never addressed why your facility won't allow individuals to bring in thier own targets.
We don't sell reloaded ammoany longer & haven't for over 5 years. As for outside factory ammo, our position is the same as with reloads. Just because the "factory" manufactured it does not mean in is free from defects. If ammo purchased at Wallmart blows up a gun & one of our customers gets hurt why should we bare the brunt of the fallout? Secondly, ammo leaves behind a hazmat material. Should we bare the expense of disposing your lead as well? If this were a steakhouse, would you bring you meat from Publix beause it is less expensive and ask us to prepare it for you? Guns & ammo is what we do, that is it. No ladies footware, no appliances, no bicycles or camping equipment, no food, stationary, or diapers. If you don't feel as though we need your support, thats fine. When we close our doors thats one less place to shoot. Who knows maybe Wallmart will put in a range!!!
Maybe that explains why you don't allow ammo brought in "from the outside", but please explain your policy of not allowing targets from the outside either. Are they a liability risk as well? I also don't understand why you won't allow FACTORY ammo from the outside, but sell your own "reloaded" ammo for use, marked up to a price that rivals quality factory ammo. I used to be a frequent user of your range, but have gone elsewhere to ranges that are a lot more customer friendly.
As the owner of the Delray Shooting Center, I would like to explain our position on the "Ammo Policy". First & foremost, we certinaly do allow you to return with ammo & targets previously purchased from us, this has never been a problem. Secondly the problem with us allowing "outside ammo" from being used on the range is simple. Lets say for a minute you are shooting your gun on lane 12, the person on lane 11 has a bunch of ammo that he just made at home on the new reloading press he got from his uncle for a birthday gift. The guy on lane 11 hasn't got a clue what he is doing , he loads his gun with his homemade ammo, he aims, fires & BOOM, his gun has become a grenade, part of the cylinder is now sticking out of your eye. Whos insurance company is stepping up to the plate ????????Ours does not want to.
THE DELRAY GUN SHOP SUCKS, AND DOOGIE, YOUR A SELF HATING CLOSET FANOOK ! AND IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE YOUR FROM, THE PEOPLE AT THE RANGE ARE ASSHOLES, A BIG THUMBS DOWN, F- EM! i just want a cool place to shoot, no big attitude, they work at a range, one step up from a securty guard but the same mentality.
The people and owner are very nice. No problems. If anyone has a problem, there is usually a good reason. The reason is that they are probably assholes. I shoot there 2 times a week. For those who complain, you probably shouldn't have a firearm in your possession.
All the shooting ranges in Palm Beach County will no longer allow you to use your previously bought ammo. Tey say it's because of an insurance liability. Hower, they won't allow you to use your previously bought targets either.....
They are getting greedy, which is why PBC needs an outdoor shooting range like Broward County
damn commi your attitude does not fly in the US of motherfucking a . polish your act and play buy the rules. I would have kicked your russian ass.
Today I visited Delray Shooting Center and was refused of service because I had ammo that bought yearly on the gun show. The propriator told me that "he does not like my attitude" and basically kicked me out, refusing to rent me protective equipment and shootong line. And was using this range at least 15 times before and brought in two my friends as a new Customers. What is that - new trend in service? Is it now illegal to buy and use ammo bought in some other places? Was he in his rights to treat me like that?I will never go there again but I have never met such an arrogance before. I thought I am back to Russia.